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Reply #60 - 05/17/10 at 12:24pm
 
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I think 'watch' or ' keep an eye on things' may be better than 'watch out'.  While at SPHS the numbers in band went down drastically.  Hopefully over at Simmons, and with the middles school kids, things will be different.  It would be great for the parents to give him support, but keep an eye on things.  The worst thing that could happen would be for the adults involved to tell the students that he will be a bad band director and that they won't like him.  Then that will surely come true.

 
Good answer....and I think something that should also be considered...Mr. Aycock was there when the  SP band was formed and his work brought it up to 120+ before it began to decline.  I am sure that he will work diligently to continue the work of Mr. Neugent.
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Reply #61 - 05/17/10 at 6:48pm
 
Simmons band parents and students were invited to a "meet and greet" this past Sunday in order to "meet" Mr. Aycock.  
Ken Jarnigan, Mr. Fitzpatrick, Mr. Cain and Harry McAffey were there to show their support of Mr. Aycock.  It seemed very much like a "show" and it didn't make the parents I spoke with any more confident this is a good move for our kids.  It is clear the board made this decision and everyone else has to "go along" because he has tenure and they don't want to fool with AEA.  Perhaps the SP band had 120 students at one time, BUT NOW there are around 50.  Something clearly happened to cause the demise and if it wasn't him, then why are they moving him?  
Simmons has 3 times the students he has been working with.  He's not used to that much work.  We were told that Mr. Mc Affey is going to adjunct and help with Simmons.  
It seemed as though they were trying too hard to make us comfortable with the "shaft" when clearly Mr. Aycock is getting a"gold mine".  
Now where is the best interest of the students considered in this decision?  It is "clearly" again, what is best for adults at the board to keep them out of a lawsuit.  Who gave this guy tenure anyway? How can we find that out?  Dr. J ,Mr. F , Mr. Mc. are super and Mr. Cain is a very good principal.   Our kids will survive, but they deserve MUCH better.  I hope he gets another job before this experiment begins and I would hope the board has sense enough to include a parent representative in the hiring process. The high school had over 50 applicants.  We should have more of a choice.  If the board is so convinced of Mr. Aycock's greatness, why did we not see any of them at the "meet and greet"?
Oh, I forgot. We are on the wrong side of the tracks.
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Reply #62 - 05/17/10 at 8:43pm
 
Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.  What band directors expect out of middle school students is much different than what is expected out of students at the HS level.  I really would welcome him, help out in the program what you can, and keep an eye on everything.  Don't start the kids off expecting bad things.  You could be pleasantly surprised.  If not, then do something...
 
And by the way, the students who were at Simmons before Mr. Neugent hated it when he got there.  He made them fill out practice logs and everything!  But things did work out...
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Reply #63 - 05/17/10 at 10:07pm
 
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Who gave this guy tenure anyway? How can we find that out?

 
Mr. Broadway would have been the one to recommend Mr. Aycock for tenure.
 
Does anyone know if Mr. Aycock's salary will be reduced from his SPHS salary?
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Reply #64 - 05/18/10 at 6:43am
 
Mr. Aycock's salary will be that of a Middle School Band Director.
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Reply #65 - 05/18/10 at 7:51am
 
Check out Aycock's history.  He was a Birmingham City Schools employee before he went to Georgia for a few years and then was "discovered" to start the band program at Spain Park.  There was a reason he left Birmingham in the first place.  Another fine example of the "good old boy" network in place allowing "boys to be boys" before Alabama passed the laws requiring background checks.
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Reply #66 - 05/18/10 at 2:50pm
 
Quote from indianchief2 on 05/18/10 at 7:51am:
Check out Aycock's history.  He was a Birmingham City Schools employee before he went to Georgia for a few years and then was "discovered" to start the band program at Spain Park.  There was a reason he left Birmingham in the first place.  Another fine example of the "good old boy" network in place allowing "boys to be boys" before Alabama passed the laws requiring background checks.

 
Check out your facts....Mr. Aycock taught at Huffman, Samford University, and Erwin....never in Georgia.  Another "fine example" of keyboard slander based on total fabrication while hiding behind a screen name.
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Reply #67 - 05/18/10 at 3:45pm
 
The post said he went to Georgia, not that he taught in Georgia.
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Reply #68 - 05/18/10 at 3:49pm
 
Parents have a right to be concerned about the situation with the Band at Simmons.  There's a history at Spain Park with the band and it's not a pretty picture.  Every parent wants the best for their child and Simmons has not gotten the best.
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Reply #69 - 05/18/10 at 4:10pm
 
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The post said he went to Georgia, not that he taught in Georgia.  

 
Okay....Mr. Aycock never taught or "went" to Georgia for a few years.  Parents have a right to be concerned about their children in any matter.  But folks should also have some responsibility to speak the truth and that post is just completely WRONG.
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Reply #70 - 05/18/10 at 7:08pm
 
Mr. Aycock gave the parents an obviously rehearsed rundown of his experience on Sunday.  It was all over the place and SP was barely mentioned which is definitely cause for concern.  I don't particularly remember anything about Georgia but really, I don't think anyone is trying to purposefully put out misinformation.  We got a lot of how he made Gresham's band successful and how he was adjunct at Samford University and was a professional trombone player.  His partial history is posted on an obscure SP band website you have to search for very carefully to find anything.  Every section is "under construction" except his history and picture.  NOTHING is on the actual SP website except contact information.  
 
Thanks for finding out who gave him tenure.  I thought that was the case.  I think Mr. Broadway was too busy buying Monte Blanc pens and getting stuff framed to actually do his job. That explains a lot.
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Reply #71 - 05/18/10 at 9:38pm
 
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Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.  What band directors expect out of middle school students is much different than what is expected out of students at the HS level.  I really would welcome him, help out in the program what you can, and keep an eye on everything.  Don't start the kids off expecting bad things.  You could be pleasantly surprised.  If not, then do something...

And by the way, the students who were at Simmons before Mr. Neugent hated it when he got there.  He made them fill out practice logs and everything!  But things did work out...

 
The 7th and 8th grade students didn't like him BECAUSE he tried to teach instead of allowing them to watch movies for an easy "A" as the previous director allowed.  The 6th graders loved him and are now seniors.  They sent pictures to him of his first beginning band group since he is leaving.  Most kids I know can spot a winner or loser when they see one.  We are protecting our kids as best we can, and are praying for the best.
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Reply #72 - 05/18/10 at 10:19pm
 
Quote from CrystalClear on 05/18/10 at 9:38pm:
Quote from hibousage on 05/17/10 at 8:43pm:
Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.  What band directors expect out of middle school students is much different than what is expected out of students at the HS level.  I really would welcome him, help out in the program what you can, and keep an eye on everything.  Don't start the kids off expecting bad things.  You could be pleasantly surprised.  If not, then do something...

And by the way, the students who were at Simmons before Mr. Neugent hated it when he got there.  He made them fill out practice logs and everything!  But things did work out...


The 7th and 8th grade students didn't like him BECAUSE he tried to teach instead of allowing them to watch movies for an easy "A" as the previous director allowed.  The 6th graders loved him and are now seniors.  They sent pictures to him of his first beginning band group since he is leaving.  Most kids I know can spot a winner or loser when they see one.  We are protecting our kids as best we can, and are praying for the best.

I know all about that.  That's exactly what I was saying.  Thanks for making my point. The kids who were already there couldn't 'spot the winner' at first, but eventually they figured it out.  Parents kept their eyes open, even though the new guy was 'so mean', they gave him time and saw that he was doing a good job.
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Reply #73 - 05/18/10 at 11:13pm
 
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Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.

 
 
That was a nice little slap.  Thanks for that.
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Reply #74 - 05/19/10 at 6:05am
 
Hi Everyone, I have read through this whole thread, and I feel like it's coded in clues... would someone please categorize the nature of the concerns about Mr. Aycock?   It is a huge difference whether the concerns are about his teaching ability, his personality, his ability to inspire the kids, his morals, all of the above.  One of the above posts alluded to how things might be different had background checks been required years ago.... that is a worrisome comment for us Simmons parents, all on its own.  I have ZERO knowledge of what Mr. Aycock's situation was at SPHS, but I have had trustworthy people from all over Hoover warn me that we won't be happy.  My child enjoyed band enormously this (6th grade) year under Mr. Neugent... he is excited about continuing, and I am thrilled that he wants to, but his commitment to band is tenuous at this age.  It would be EASY to derail him in 7th grade.  So, I am worried, but don't know what I'm worried about.   undecided  Someone please elaborate -- not looking for slander here, just an overview of what the concerns are.  THANKS!
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Reply #75 - 05/19/10 at 6:32am
 
Quote from PurpleSocks on 05/19/10 at 6:05am:
Hi Everyone, I have read through this whole thread, and I feel like it's coded in clues... would someone please categorize the nature of the concerns about Mr. Aycock?   It is a huge difference whether the concerns are about his teaching ability, his personality, his ability to inspire the kids, his morals, all of the above.  One of the above posts alluded to how things might be different had background checks been required years ago.... that is a worrisome comment for us Simmons parents, all on its own.  I have ZERO knowledge of what Mr. Aycock's situation was at SPHS, but I have had trustworthy people from all over Hoover warn me that we won't be happy.  My child enjoyed band enormously this (6th grade) year under Mr. Neugent... he is excited about continuing, and I am thrilled that he wants to, but his commitment to band is tenuous at this age.  It would be EASY to derail him in 7th grade.  So, I am worried, but don't know what I'm worried about.   undecided  Someone please elaborate -- not looking for slander here, just an overview of what the concerns are.  THANKS!

 
I hope I can ease your worry about a few things.  Mr. Aycock is a highly ethical and moral man, a devoted husband and father, and deacon and leader in his church.  Fingerprinting and background checks were required by Hoover City Schools when he was hired.   I think he will work very hard to earn everyone's respect.  Please encourage your child to continue band and you should stay involved as a parent.  Band offers tremendous opportunities and I think you will be happy with the end results.
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Reply #76 - 05/19/10 at 8:13am
 
Quote from bandsRus on 05/19/10 at 6:32am:
Quote from PurpleSocks on 05/19/10 at 6:05am:
Hi Everyone, I have read through this whole thread, and I feel like it's coded in clues... would someone please categorize the nature of the concerns about Mr. Aycock?   It is a huge difference whether the concerns are about his teaching ability, his personality, his ability to inspire the kids, his morals, all of the above.  One of the above posts alluded to how things might be different had background checks been required years ago.... that is a worrisome comment for us Simmons parents, all on its own.  I have ZERO knowledge of what Mr. Aycock's situation was at SPHS, but I have had trustworthy people from all over Hoover warn me that we won't be happy.  My child enjoyed band enormously this (6th grade) year under Mr. Neugent... he is excited about continuing, and I am thrilled that he wants to, but his commitment to band is tenuous at this age.  It would be EASY to derail him in 7th grade.  So, I am worried, but don't know what I'm worried about.   undecided  Someone please elaborate -- not looking for slander here, just an overview of what the concerns are.  THANKS!


I hope I can ease your worry about a few things.  Mr. Aycock is a highly ethical and moral man, a devoted husband and father, and deacon and leader in his church.  Fingerprinting and background checks were required by Hoover City Schools when he was hired.   I think he will work very hard to earn everyone's respect.  Please encourage your child to continue band and you should stay involved as a parent.  Band offers tremendous opportunities and I think you will be happy with the end results.

 
I'm not a band parent, but I am a Simmons parent, and I know plenty of band parents, both at SMS and at HHS.  They're a dedicated group, probably more dedicated than any other group, including football parents.
 
Having read through this thread it seems that those of you at SMS are forgetting one minor detail, which actually is a huge detail:  Mr. Cain.
 
I've known Mr. Cain for several years, and I know that he cares almost as much about our children as we do.  I can say without a shadow of a doubt that there is not a better administrator in the system than Mr. Cain and I'm sorry that he will not be there as my child moves to HHS.  With this in mind, I want to ask those of you who are concerned one question:
 
Do you really believe that Mr. Cain is going to allow a program such as band at SMS to falter?
 
Mr. Cain demands only one thing from both his students and his faculty:  Excellence.  Reach for the stars.  "Second rate" is not in his vocabulary.
 
I don't know Mr. Aycock and I don't know Mr. Neugent.  But I do know Mr. Cain and he's going to expect the same type of work ethic and results out of Mr. Aycock as he did from Mr. Neugent.    
 
Nobody likes change, especially when there is an unknown change happening and when the current program is so successful.  But there is one thing that is not changing at SMS.  The person in charge.
 
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Reply #77 - 05/19/10 at 8:38am
 
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Quote from hibousage on 05/17/10 at 8:43pm:
Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.



That was a nice little slap.  Thanks for that.

You don't think working under Mr. Cain instead of BB will be different?  You don't think working with parents at Simmons will be different than working with SPHS parents?  Each school has it's own personality, and it can't help but be different.  Even working with the parents at HHS would be different than Simmons...I was talking about finding a good fit.  Didn't really mean for you to have to feel the need to duck.
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Reply #78 - 05/19/10 at 8:32pm
 
Quote from hibousage on 05/19/10 at 8:38am:
Quote from 86bamafan on 05/18/10 at 11:13pm:
Quote from hibousage on 05/17/10 at 8:43pm:
Maybe with the support of Mr. Cain, and the parents at Simmons, who, can be very different than those at SP, it will be a good fit.



That was a nice little slap.  Thanks for that.

You don't think working under Mr. Cain instead of BB will be different?  You don't think working with parents at Simmons will be different than working with SPHS parents?  Each school has it's own personality, and it can't help but be different.  Even working with the parents at HHS would be different than Simmons...I was talking about finding a good fit.  Didn't really mean for you to have to feel the need to duck.

 
If I took it wrong, I apologize.  Just seemed to be a generalization intended cast all SPHS parents in a bad light.
 
I hope Mr. Aycock gets an opportunity to reverse the Peter Principle and the move back to middle school is an environment in which he can flourish.
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Reply #79 - 06/13/10 at 12:31am
 
Parents of Simmons Band received an email last Thursday from Mr. Cain that Mr. Aycock has accepted a position in another system and his position is now posted.  With the number of teachers vs. number of jobs, I'm sure there should be many applicants.  Mr. Cain will form a hiring committee of parents, teachers, and Dr. Jarnigan.  I commend Mr. Cain for including parents in this decision.  Many parents were praying for this situation and will continue to pray that the excellent band program will have an excellent leader.  The students deserve it.
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