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amp920

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Fine Arts Director?
04/22/10 at 6:37am

Posted at HCS Employment page:

Fine Arts Director - The Fine Arts Director supervises all fine arts and performing arts activities, including specialized professional learning for fine arts and performing arts staff, budget, curriculum design and implementation, arts-related events, community and business partnerships, and public relations so as to maximize creative student learning and community involvement.

Has there been any discussion here about this interesting development? If so I missed it. Very worthwhile in normal times but unusual when teaching positions are being cut everywhere in the system. I have some ideas but wonder what others are thinking.

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ProudBerryMom

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Reply #1 - 04/22/10 at 7:15am

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants the math/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

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Re: Fine Arts Director?
Reply #2 - 04/22/10 at 7:26am

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants the math/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

Dang! You made me spew my coffee on my screen. AC and save in the same sentence?

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Reply #3 - 04/22/10 at 7:30am

Quote from my2cents on 04/22/10 at 7:26am:

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants the math/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

Dang! You made me spew my coffee on my screen. AC and save in the same sentence?

LOL I know...his words and ideas, not mine!!!

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amp920 Hoover Forum Sophomore THE Hoover Forum Posts: 66	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #4 - 04/22/10 at 3:48pm I think when the selection is announced it will be clear that there is a hidden agenda -- finding a place to put someone. Not for certain, just sayin'. If my sources are wrong, I'll say so.
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Disillusioned Hoover Forum Freshman THE Hoover Forum Posts: 35	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #5 - 04/22/10 at 8:08pm this is most definitely a position created in order to move someone. has anyone else figured out who is going there? it surprised me, but when i stopped and thought about it, i had to admit it was fairly typical of how things are done. incredible.
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hibousage Hoover Forum All-Star Member THE Hoover Forum Posts: 912	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #6 - 04/22/10 at 8:38pm Peter Principle at it's finest?
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westhoovermom

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Re: Fine Arts Director?
Reply #7 - 04/22/10 at 9:34pm

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants themath/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

So what is my daughter, who wants to try the IB program and also wants to explore her talent for choir, drama, and dance, to do? This is such ridiculous thinking. And, it has nothing to do with attending school with your friends (although I agree that is important to kids). It is about becoming a well-rounded individual, and being able to explore all of your talents.

I personally think the fine arts could use some directing...I am tired of seeing fabulous choirs at Bumpus performing in the gym!

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Reply #8 - 04/22/10 at 9:39pm

Quote from westhoovermom on 04/22/10 at 9:34pm:

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants themath/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

So what is my daughter, who wants to try the IB program and also wants to explore her talent for choir, drama, and dance, to do? This is such ridiculous thinking. And, it has nothing to do with attending school with your friends (although I agree that is important to kids). It is about becoming a well-rounded individual, and being able to explore all of your talents.

I personally think the fine arts could use some directing...I am tired of seeing fabulous choirs at Bumpus performing in the gym!

I get it. My daughter is at ASFA in math/science. She also has other talents, and she is frowned upon when she wants to explore them. I believe that children should be given opportunities to explore the arts and not be limited to just one passion. I was simply repeating a conversation at an HPTC meeting a few years ago.

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Reply #9 - 04/22/10 at 10:21pm

Quote from westhoovermom on 04/22/10 at 9:34pm:

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants themath/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

So what is my daughter, who wants to try the IB program and also wants to explore her talent for choir, drama, and dance, to do? This is such ridiculous thinking. And, it has nothing to do with attending school with your friends (although I agree that is important to kids). It is about becoming a well-rounded individual, and being able to explore all of your talents.

I personally think the fine arts could use some directing...I am tired of seeing fabulous choirs at Bumpus performing in the gym!

Why do they have to perform in the gym? Simmons performs at Green Valley Baptist, Hoover performs at Bluff Park Methodist (one of the most impressive choirs I've ever seen), even Bluff Park Elementary chorus performs their yearly program at Shades Crest Baptist Church. Why can't Bumpus perform at one of the local churches?

And how would a fine arts person affect that? For the above mentioned schools, the chorus teacher arranges the venue I believe. Do we need another new position to handle what the teacher is already doing?

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Reply #10 - 04/23/10 at 5:54am

Quote from googling on 04/22/10 at 10:21pm:

Quote from westhoovermom on 04/22/10 at 9:34pm:

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants themath/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

So what is my daughter, who wants to try the IB program and also wants to explore her talent for choir, drama, and dance, to do? This is such ridiculous thinking. And, it has nothing to do with attending school with your friends (although I agree that is important to kids). It is about becoming a well-rounded individual, and being able to explore all of your talents.

I personally think the fine arts could use some directing...I am tired of seeing fabulous choirs at Bumpus performing in the gym!

Why do they have to perform in the gym? Simmons performs at Green Valley Baptist, Hoover performs at Bluff Park Methodist (one of the most impressive choirs I've ever seen), even Bluff Park Elementary chorus performs their yearly program at Shades Crest Baptist Church. Why can't Bumpus perform at one of the local churches?

And how would a fine arts person affect that? For the above mentioned schools, the chorus teacher arranges the venue I believe. Do we need another new position to handle what the teacher is already doing?

Do you remember several years ago when the plan was to build a Fine Arts building on Valleydale Road that would be used for concerts, plays, and other performances; graduations; and it could be rented as a venue for other events outside the school district. Obviously that plan has been scrapped due to finances, but does anyone else remember when this idea was being discussed?

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Re: Fine Arts Director?
Reply #11 - 04/23/10 at 7:25am

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants the math/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered.

Yes, this would make perfect sense to an accountant. Why duplicate programs at the two schools? Force students to choose between science and art at an early age, and create one-dimensional learners. It is, after all, more cost-efficient. Just like "alternative service delivery" -- the accountant's term for replacing teachers with computers. Or "maximize building capacity to limit capital expenses" -- the accountant's term for cramming as many teachers and students into one building as you possibly can, even if that means converting closets to classrooms and having large numbers of "floating" teachers.

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Reply #12 - 04/23/10 at 7:42am

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/23/10 at 5:54am:

Quote from googling on 04/22/10 at 10:21pm:

Quote from westhoovermom on 04/22/10 at 9:34pm:

Quote from ProudBerryMom on 04/22/10 at 7:15am:

Andy Craig has wanted to compartmentalize the high schools for years. He wants themath/science, IB, and technology school at HHS, and the fine arts at SPHS. He does not want to have the schools zoned, and feels that the students should attend the schools based on the programs offered. I do not think this will work, and I told him so after an HPTC meeting several years ago because teens want to attend school with their friends from their neighborhoods.

But, like an accountant, he is looking at saving money by not duplicating programs at the high schools.

Since Suzy Baker is now serving on the Board of Directors at the Alabama School of Fine Arts, I am sure she will be a great resource for such an endeavor.

So what is my daughter, who wants to try the IB program and also wants to explore her talent for choir, drama, and dance, to do? This is such ridiculous thinking. And, it has nothing to do with attending school with your friends (although I agree that is important to kids). It is about becoming a well-rounded individual, and being able to explore all of your talents.

I personally think the fine arts could use some directing...I am tired of seeing fabulous choirs at Bumpus performing in the gym!

Why do they have to perform in the gym? Simmons performs at Green Valley Baptist, Hoover performs at Bluff Park Methodist (one of the most impressive choirs I've ever seen), even Bluff Park Elementary chorus performs their yearly program at Shades Crest Baptist Church. Why can't Bumpus perform at one of the local churches?

And how would a fine arts person affect that? For the above mentioned schools, the chorus teacher arranges the venue I believe. Do we need another new position to handle what the teacher is already doing?

Do you remember several years ago when the plan was to build a Fine Arts building on Valleydale Road that would be used for concerts, plays, and other performances; graduations; and it could be rented as a venue for other events outside the school district. Obviously that plan has been scrapped due to finances, but does anyone else remember when this idea was being discussed?

Here's the thread:

http://hooverforum.com/hoover/YaBB.pl?num=1209787471/0

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amp920 Hoover Forum Sophomore THE Hoover Forum Posts: 66	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #13 - 04/23/10 at 8:01am I don't think it's the Peter Principle; in fact almost the opposite, if it's who I think it is. More like the loser of a turf battle very near the top of the heap.
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HSCIN II Hoover Forum All-Star Member THE Hoover Forum Posts: 513	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #14 - 04/23/10 at 10:20am Yes, amp, I hear you. I believe this is a position for Dr. Jarnagin. I'm sick to my stomach.
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CS2 Hoover Forum Sophomore THE Hoover Forum Posts: 52	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #15 - 04/23/10 at 1:27pm Quote from HSCIN II on 04/23/10 at 10:20am: Yes, amp, I hear you. I believe this is a position for Dr. Jarnagin. I'm sick to my stomach. oh please no!
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Disillusioned Hoover Forum Freshman THE Hoover Forum Posts: 35	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #16 - 04/23/10 at 5:35pm we have a winner
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HSCIN II Hoover Forum All-Star Member THE Hoover Forum Posts: 513	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #17 - 04/23/10 at 6:52pm I'm not sure who wins if I'm right about this.
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Hoovergal Hoover Forum Sophomore THE Hoover Forum Posts: 119	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #18 - 04/23/10 at 10:28pm This made up my mind. Now I know how I will vote next week.
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amp920 Hoover Forum Sophomore THE Hoover Forum Posts: 66	Re: Fine Arts Director? Reply #19 - 04/24/10 at 6:42am HSCIN II, that's what I have been hearing. I too am sick. Now the question is, who's in charge of academics if we don't have a "Chief Academic Officer"? This seems to presume some level of reorganization at the CO. That should tell us if there is a winner.
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