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Dear Mrs. Frazier:
07/31/07 at 6:43am
 
I believe that my son's teacher is a pedophile.  This bothers me greatly since I do not know if my son is in danger at school.  I know you don't find this to be of concern, as you stated that a teacher's personal life is not your concern or job:
 
"If you start diving into everybody's personal life there is not enough hours in the day to be able to do this," Frazier said. "That's not what our job is as school board members."  
 
To refresh your memory, you said this in an article in the Birmingham News:
 
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1185869711229820.xml& amp;coll=2
 
Mr. Bold echoed your sentiments:
 
"That's just not our business to get involved in their personal lives, except when it affects their job performances," Bolt said.  
 
Of course he covered his rear end by adding the "affects their job performances".  That's not being proactive, that's being reactive and when it comes to kids, that's not right.
 
 Could you tell me who I could talk to to address my concerns?
 
Thanks,
Epstein's Mother
 
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The above is obviously fiction.  But it addresses the point head on.  According to Mrs. Frazier and Mr. Bolt, the teacher's personal lives are none of their, and our, concern.  If in fact there was a pedophile teaching our kids, well, that would be OK because it is their personal life.
 
The line has been drawn in the sand, folks.  Unless the Hoover Board of Education becomes proactive about our children's welfare, which by those statements they are not, it's time to clean house.  We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there.  Council, consider yourselves on notice.  Unless you get involved and whisper to these people to get off their butts, you won't have those cushy chairs to sit in next year.  The people will see to that.
 
Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing.  NOW!
 
 
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Reply #1 - 07/31/07 at 7:18am
 
There was a post that spoke about the number of gays and lesbians in our schools too and that should be of grave concern too since there are so many of them teaching our kids in the classroom. I wonder how many teachers would lose their jobs if we knew everything about their personal lives? To me having a pedophile or gay or lesbian teaching our kids is a issue and we should clean house of all despicable faculty because I know I would not want my son or daughter interacting with any of them in a classroom on a daily schedule. Yes a student can drop a sport if they have a concern about a certain teacher or coach but they can't drop classes if they have that same concern then their only choice would be to leave for another school or drop out and that may not be a option for the family if they can not afford to move or pay for private schools. So let us get rid of all the trash in our schools because there are a lot of homosexuals interacting with the students every day and that is sick for our kids to be exposed to seeing someone that lives that disgusting behavior and lifestyle among them in the classroom.  We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there.  Council, consider yourselves on notice.  The line has been drawn in the sand, folks. The people will see to that. All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once.
 
After all the gays and lesbians are fired we are going to need a lot of applicants to fill jobs in Hoover schools since while I think about this there will be teachers fired in almost each subject in every grade in all our schools. I wonder also how many applicants we will have to turn down too due to their personal choice of lifestyle of being homosexual? Maybe we can have it printed on the application that if you are a homosexual you can not apply. That should help the process go quicker.
 
Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing.  NOW!  
 
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Reply #2 - 07/31/07 at 8:27am
 
Quote from tentedmed on 07/31/07 at 7:18am:
There was a post that spoke about the number of gays and lesbians in our schools too and that should be of grave concern too since there are so many of them teaching our kids in the classroom. I wonder how many teachers would lose their jobs if we knew everything about their personal lives? To me having a pedophile or gay or lesbian teaching our kids is a issue and we should clean house of all despicable faculty because I know I would not want my son or daughter interacting with any of them in a classroom on a daily schedule. Yes a student can drop a sport if they have a concern about a certain teacher or coach but they can't drop classes if they have that same concern then their only choice would be to leave for another school or drop out and that may not be a option for the family if they can not afford to move or pay for private schools. So let us get rid of all the trash in our schools because there are a lot of homosexuals interacting with the students every day and that is sick for our kids to be exposed to seeing someone that lives that disgusting behavior and lifestyle among them in the classroom.  We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there.  Council, consider yourselves on notice.  The line has been drawn in the sand, folks. The people will see to that. All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once.

After all the gays and lesbians are fired we are going to need a lot of applicants to fill jobs in Hoover schools since while I think about this there will be teachers fired in almost each subject in every grade in all our schools. I wonder also how many applicants we will have to turn down too due to their personal choice of lifestyle of being homosexual? Maybe we can have it printed on the application that if you are a homosexual you can not apply. That should help the process go quicker.

Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing.  NOW!


 
This is ridiculous. I would rather have a box that said "are you too stupid to live" so that people like this can check it.
RP FLAUNTED his lifestyle. The players knew it, the faculty knew it, the board knew it. If there was a teacher FLAUNTING IMMORAL behavior, they would be dismissed.
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Reply #3 - 07/31/07 at 8:41am
 
Quote from tentedmed on 07/31/07 at 7:18am:
There was a post that spoke about the number of gays and lesbians in our schools too and that should be of grave concern too since there are so many of them teaching our kids in the classroom. I wonder how many teachers would lose their jobs if we knew everything about their personal lives? To me having a pedophile or gay or lesbian teaching our kids is a issue and we should clean house of all despicable faculty because I know I would not want my son or daughter interacting with any of them in a classroom on a daily schedule. Yes a student can drop a sport if they have a concern about a certain teacher or coach but they can't drop classes if they have that same concern then their only choice would be to leave for another school or drop out and that may not be a option for the family if they can not afford to move or pay for private schools. So let us get rid of all the trash in our schools because there are a lot of homosexuals interacting with the students every day and that is sick for our kids to be exposed to seeing someone that lives that disgusting behavior and lifestyle among them in the classroom. We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there. Council, consider yourselves on notice. The line has been drawn in the sand, folks. The people will see to that. All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once.

After all the gays and lesbians are fired we are going to need a lot of applicants to fill jobs in Hoover schools since while I think about this there will be teachers fired in almost each subject in every grade in all our schools. I wonder also how many applicants we will have to turn down too due to their personal choice of lifestyle of being homosexual? Maybe we can have it printed on the application that if you are a homosexual you can not apply. That should help the process go quicker.

Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing. NOW!


 
 
A wise man once said "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" .
 
Thanks for removing all doubt about you, tent.  Thanks.
 
And don't worry.  You'll slip.  The fools always do.
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Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier:
Reply #4 - 07/31/07 at 8:46am
 
Congrats Tent, you just won the "dumbest post of the day" award.
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Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier:
Reply #5 - 07/31/07 at 11:14am
 
Dear Mrs. Frazier:
 
As School Board president, it is your job to protect the best interests of the children and the larger community you serve.
 
The course it appears the school board has chosen to follow, to turn a blind eye to the facts and continue to employ Rush Propst, is harmful to both the children and the larger Hoover community.  Rush Propst has used our school system and the young men of this community to serve his only purpose of self-promotion and self-gratification.
 
The leaders of this community have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the glory that Rush Propst has brought and placed at their feet.  They have prostituted their sons and their wives to attain the glory of which they so desperately wish to be a part.
 
We citizens of Hoover that have not fallen blindly into Propst's lunacy have grown weary of having our schools and our community dragged through the mud and reviled by every other school system in the state and beyond.  
 
This school board is the only voice that has the power to do the right thing for the best interests of all of the children of our community.  Please do not let those children down.
 
We respectfully request that you terminate Rush Propst's employment immediately on grounds that he has caused irreparable damage to both the reputation and the organizational culture of Hoover City Schools.
 
Removing Rush Propst from Hoover City Schools is but the first step in getting back on task in placing the best interests of the children and their families first on the priority list for Hoover City Schools.  His termination is crucial to the success of Hoover City Schools.  
 
Thank you for your consideration.  
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Reply #6 - 07/31/07 at 1:11pm
 
I hope that the next person that gets let go by the school system for something done in their personal life SUES THE CRAP OUT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
 
DUI, etc.
 
If they can't touch RP, and can't INVESTIGATE anyone's personal life (cause that is not why they are there)....then no one should ever be let go and the Code Of Ethics is not worth the paper it is printed on.
 
It's going to go down the tube like the wrestler lawsuit. Hoover will have to settle because they know that they are wrong.
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Reply #7 - 07/31/07 at 6:14pm
 
"All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once."
 
Amazing.  Your homophobic slip is showing.
Replace the words "gay" and "lesbian" with "Jew" and "African-American" or any other label and the vile nature of your comments would be obvious.  
 
 
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Reply #8 - 07/31/07 at 7:45pm
 
I seriously commed all reponses to tent. My sister is gay, and it bothers me greatly to think anyone would ever say anything like that to her. She's a beautiful person. Fortunately she works in an environment where she need not worry about job security due to any "Christian" lynch mobs...  I'm also seriously proud of all concerned citizens of Hoover that are participating in this forum, no matter what your opinion... a lot of this information on the BOE and RP has been known for years (specifically RP) but there was a fear (I suppose) to say and express it. I still believe that Dr. Williams was fired due to her lack of support for RP... this was in fact, the philosophical disagreement, it HAD to be. She is laughing her head off somewhere at the people who made sure to get rid of her, but her heart must be heavy for the teachers and students she always seemed to support. I'm glad one of my kids was able to have her as the leader of this school system. Hopefully we'll find a leader like her in Andy Craig, although I question this due to the fact he isn't even an education major. Business/Law degrees tend to make the rules of education now - see the NCLB committee and how many educators served on it. I digress... thanks again to all who truly support this great school system. We're just in a bad place right now, every BOE, system, must go through hard times... right?  Huh
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Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier:
Reply #9 - 07/31/07 at 9:40pm
 
Discrimination against a person based on sexual orientation is illegal.  Just like discrimination based on race, gender, national origin or religion.
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Reply #10 - 07/31/07 at 10:18pm
 
There are other latent bigots on this forum as well. If you look closely, you will see some code words.
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Reply #11 - 08/01/07 at 10:47am
 
Care to point them out?
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Reply #12 - 08/01/07 at 2:24pm
 
There's just one in particular - synergis1. If you look closely at two of her posts regarding Mr. Nalls, you can easily break the code. 1) "He's too big for his britches" translation "that boy doesn't know his place" 2) That translation was validated when she said "And when will Nalls realize that he is just the "token" minority administrator for the system?" Furthermore, she never responded when I called her on it. Sorry synergis1 I have to call it like I see it.
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Reply #13 - 08/01/07 at 3:03pm
 
Thanks, FE, I don't recall the posts, but I do see your point.  Definite code words those...
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Reply #14 - 08/01/07 at 3:17pm
 
Quote from finalexaminer on 08/01/07 at 2:24pm:
There's just one in particular - synergis1. If you look closely at two of her posts regarding Mr. Nalls, you can easily break the code. 1) "He's too big for his britches" translation "that boy doesn't know his place" 2) That translation was validated when she said "And when will Nalls realize that he is just the "token" minority administrator for the system?" Furthermore, she never responded when I called her on it. Sorry synergis1 I have to call it like I see it.

 
I think you are totally wrong on that point....Sorry.
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Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier:
Reply #15 - 08/01/07 at 3:23pm
 
They're poor choices of words, at the least.
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Reply #16 - 08/01/07 at 10:15pm
 
Finally I am at home so I can defend myself.
 
The phrase "too big for his britches" was first used by someone else to describe Jan Dennis.  In my opinion, it also described Martin Nalls.  So my using it to describe him was a racial remark?  Was it racial when used regarding Dennis?  Be careful here, as you cannot have it both ways.
 
In using the term "token", I take that very word from an encounter I had with Hoover's former superintendent.  I was having dinner with a friend (who just happens to be African American, 7'2" tall, a former NBA player, a 20 year veteran of Army Special Forces and has a second doctorate in religious studies) who was coached in high school basketball by the former supt.  My friend and I were celebrating his completion of his doctoral program in educational leadership.  When my friend spoke to the former supt. and mentioned the reason we were celebrating, he casually said something like, "Now you can make me a principal in the Hoover system."  (Note these are not exact words for his comment, but you get the gist.)  The former supt. responded to him by saying (exactly): "We already have our token."  
 
I found it offensive myself at the time as I am extremely sensitive to racial comments.  I work in a situation where I am the minority racially and I cannot stand for people to play the race card.  
 
If you found my comments offensive, I apologize.  I hope this has further cleared the air.
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Reply #17 - 08/01/07 at 10:38pm
 
They're definitely a poor choice of words and that's all.  While the remark when made in the context of a woman is not racist, the intent is the same.  Sexist and racist terms are generally interchangeable.  And the use of the word "token" when used in reference to a minority, particularly a black person, is inherently racist (and again sexist too).
 
Of course, if you're black or female then it's OK...but only if you are female referring to another female.  Or black referring to...oh, never mind.
 
No offense intended?  Then none is taken.  Peace be with you.  Apology accepted.
 
(By me at least)
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Reply #18 - 08/02/07 at 4:54am
 
I agree DS. Synergis1, a superintendent can make a racially insensitive statements as well, so that does not justify repeating the statement our of context in the public forum. Does that make it right? Does justify repeating that statement in a public forum? As a casual observer reading your two statements, they appear to be at least a very poor choice of words. May I ask, was the former superintendent Jack Farr or Connie Williams? One of our former superintendents coached basketball?
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Reply #19 - 08/02/07 at 5:22am
 
By the way, you said that you were offended by that statement at the time, so why would you repeat it?
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