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Reply #40 - 07/31/07 at 1:54pm
 
More of the same...only more.  Year after year.  I don't want that for my child.  Do you want it for yours?
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Reply #41 - 07/31/07 at 2:29pm
 
Quote from DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 1:54pm:
More of the same...only more. Year after year. I don't want that for my child. Do you want it for yours?

 
There's always gonna be enough "recruits" that'll be willing to put up with it because their alternative is Birmingham City Schools.  Hoover City Schools will NEVER be as bad as B'ham City Schools.  Few districts will ever be as bad as Birmingham.
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Reply #42 - 07/31/07 at 2:42pm
 
Never say never, I always say.  But whether Hoover will ever be as bad as B'ham is irrelevant.  It needs to be better than it is now and as long as the status quo remains, well, the status quo, it will never be better.
 
Sorry, I said "never".
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Reply #43 - 07/31/07 at 2:49pm
 
Quote from DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 2:42pm:
Never say never, I always say. But whether Hoover will ever be as bad as B'ham is irrelevant.

 
Not really.  as long as Hoover is as well-off as it is, and B'ham schools are as bad as they are, it won't be a hard sell for Rush to get kids to come to Hoover.
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Reply #44 - 07/31/07 at 3:17pm
 
You're assuming that there are always going to be enough of them who can afford to live here.  Having said that, your point is taken...
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Reply #45 - 08/01/07 at 8:43am
 
Quote from ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 12:08pm:
So his playboy image doesn't bother you?  It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown?

The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well.  No question about that.  An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned.  Best to clear the air of all concerned.  And don't say "it happens everywhere".  Just because it does, it doesn't make it right.  Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered.

 
 
I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me.  Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look.  I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action.
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Reply #46 - 08/01/07 at 9:37am
 
You are right, HooverHooch. The Hoover School System needs to pull together, stop the witch hunt, put this behind them and move forward. All of this is unproductive. You hear this sort of talk and rumors in every workplace and you just have to move on and don't get consumed by personal agendas and vendettas.
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Reply #47 - 08/01/07 at 10:13am
 
Quote from HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 8:43am:
Quote from ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 12:08pm:
So his playboy image doesn't bother you?  It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown?

The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well.  No question about that.  An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned.  Best to clear the air of all concerned.  And don't say "it happens everywhere".  Just because it does, it doesn't make it right.  Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered.



I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me.  Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look.  I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action.

 
So, if we follow your reasoning, then it wasn't smart for the BOE to let go of the principal two weeks before school starts, was it?  That seems to me to be even worse timing.  Getting rid of the football coach is insignificant compared to that.  Or do you think that the football coach is more important to the school (i.e the ACADEMIC pupose, the reason we call it a school) than the principal?
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Reply #48 - 08/01/07 at 10:18am
 
Quote from BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 9:37am:
You are right, HooverHooch. The Hoover School System needs to pull together, stop the witch hunt, put this behind them and move forward. All of this is unproductive. You hear this sort of talk and rumors in every workplace and you just have to move on and don't get consumed by personal agendas and vendettas.

 
BucsJags, the system is beginning to pull together, that is, the quiet majority of decent citizens who are more interested in the school than the football program are beginning to stir.  They are tired of the corruption and immorality that certain of our "leaders" have flaunted in their faces.   This is no witch hunt - it is a housecleaning - and the sooner we throw out the trash and scum that are living in our house, the better.  There is no good time for this sort of thing, but eventually it has to be done.
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Reply #49 - 08/01/07 at 10:19am
 
You are right HooverHooch, the housecleaning should have been done a long time ago. But hey, cleaning is never easy...but it has to be done. No matter what time of the year it is.
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Reply #50 - 08/01/07 at 10:51am
 
Quote from DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:13am:
Quote from HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 8:43am:
Quote from ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 12:08pm:
So his playboy image doesn't bother you?  It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown?

The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well.  No question about that.  An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned.  Best to clear the air of all concerned.  And don't say "it happens everywhere".  Just because it does, it doesn't make it right.  Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered.



I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me.  Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look.  I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action.


So, if we follow your reasoning, then it wasn't smart for the BOE to let go of the principal two weeks before school starts, was it?  That seems to me to be even worse timing.  Getting rid of the football coach is insignificant compared to that.  Or do you think that the football coach is more important to the school (i.e the ACADEMIC pupose, the reason we call it a school) than the principal?

 
Well, if you follow my reasoning, I think it is idiotic to have had Bishops contract expire two weeks before school started.  While hindsight is 20/20, the timing on Bishop was unavoidable unless you go back to the writing of the contract.  I personally think that Jarnigan was hired as CAO knowing full well that he was going to be principal of Hoover High School, but I have no proof of it.  Call it a hunch that has no backing or support.  You say in one post "housecleaning", here you say just the football coach.  "Housecleaning" a week before school starts is a bad move.  I reiterate my position on this.  I don't care.  I don't think what he has done makes him deserving to be fired, but a side of me wants him to go just to drop the topic and move on to something else.  
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Reply #51 - 08/01/07 at 11:00am
 
Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right?  I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that.  There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer.  In either case, the sooner the better.
 
Let me ask you this, Hooch:  What is your opinion of Bill Clinton?  Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior?  It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing...
 
Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all.
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Reply #52 - 08/01/07 at 11:44am
 
Quote from DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:00am:
Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right?  I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that.  There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer.  In either case, the sooner the better.

Let me ask you this, Hooch:  What is your opinion of Bill Clinton?  Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior?  It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing...

Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all.

 
My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted.
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Reply #53 - 08/01/07 at 11:53am
 
Quote from HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 11:44am:
Quote from DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:00am:
Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right? I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that. There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer. In either case, the sooner the better.

Let me ask you this, Hooch: What is your opinion of Bill Clinton? Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior? It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing...

Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all.


My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted.

 
 
Not that it matters, since it was ten years ago, but he did not get prosecuted for having bad taste in women.  He was prosecuted for lying under oath, which is a crime.  The women part was the cause of the lying.
 
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Reply #54 - 08/01/07 at 11:57am
 
I agree with Hooch that Jarnigan was in place for the position.
 
That is the only thing I agree with.  If it was Hooch's child that had sex with the president when they were an intern, would it be different?
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Reply #55 - 08/01/07 at 11:59am
 
Quote from HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 11:44am:
Quote from DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:00am:
Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right?  I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that.  There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer.  In either case, the sooner the better.

Let me ask you this, Hooch:  What is your opinion of Bill Clinton?  Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior?  It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing...

Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all.


My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted.

 
Thanks for being consistent.  You have no idea how many people are not.  We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Reply #56 - 08/01/07 at 12:03pm
 
Quote from superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 11:53am:
Quote from HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 11:44am:
Quote from DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:00am:
Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right?  I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that.  There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer.  In either case, the sooner the better.

Let me ask you this, Hooch:  What is your opinion of Bill Clinton?  Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior?  It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing...

Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all.


My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted.


Not that it matters, since it was ten years ago, but he did not get prosecuted for having bad taste in women.  He was prosecuted for lying under oath, which is a crime.  The women part was the cause of the lying.


 
I am well aware of that, Superdolfan, but I wanted to get Hooch's take on that.  I have asked numerous people the same question and you would be amazed (or perhaps you wouldn't) how many of them would have hung Clinton for the personal behavior, but feel exactly the opposite about Rush.  Hooch, at least, is not the hypocrite many others are...
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Reply #57 - 08/01/07 at 1:49pm
 
Hoover had a great football program long before any of us even heard of RP.  
Coach Larry Wilson started this program at Berry High School in the early sixties and then Coach Bob Findley took over, building on Coach Wilson's solid and highly respected foundation.
 
RP is not a great football coach - he's a great self promoter. He misused the Hoover football program and the players to advance a personal agenda;  To feed his massive ego and to build a resume that he thought would get him a college coaching job.
 
Well, guess what ? In the last year, colleges in Alabama (three in Birmingham) hired over fifty football coaches ... and RP wasn't one of them.
 
He's not responsible for Hoover Football success - he's responsible for its' shame.
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Reply #58 - 08/01/07 at 2:03pm
 
slc07, you have no idea what you're ranting about. For starters, Rush Propst was only remotely interested in one coaching job and that was the UAB Head Coach opening.
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Reply #59 - 08/01/07 at 2:11pm
 
Quote from billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 11:57am:
I agree with Hooch that Jarnigan was in place for the position.

That is the only thing I agree with.  If it was Hooch's child that had sex with the president when they were an intern, would it be different?

 
My child as an adult like Monica was or my child now as a 9th grader which would be pedophilia?
 
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