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Reply #20 - 07/30/07 at 10:10pm
 
do u care to elaborate?
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Reply #21 - 07/30/07 at 10:26pm
 
Quote from ManofSteel on 07/30/07 at 9:58pm:
Sorry HH,

I think I wrote hooverhooch and ment JBH.

I am a fan and booster of Buccaneer Football. Rush
might be the best high school football coach in America
when it comes to  X's and O's and motivation.

I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to
be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line.

Not who's sleeping with who, or what he knew and when he knew it.

MOS

 
MoS, who is to blame for all this?  Rush.  He's the one who slept with God knows who, had at least three illegitimate children while married to another woman - the mother of his three LEGITIMATE children.  I would rather be talking about something else too.  Rush may well be the best high school football coach in America.  But he is not an honorable man and has no business being a high school coach anywhere regardless of his arguable skills.
 
And this is no frenzy, or witch hunt.  This is the growing rage of a group of decent people who are sick and tired of seeing their beloved city and school dragged through the mud.  This is the townfolk gathering with fire and pitchforks to storm the castle and destroy the monster.
 
You want to get back to football?  Then we must remove the cause of our collective misery.  His departure is inevitable.  It's only a matter of time...    
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Reply #22 - 07/30/07 at 10:32pm
 
rp may not be in the top 5 coaches in this area.... curtis coleman, buddy anderson, fred yancy, bob newton, and jack woods ALL are as good or batter as coaches.
 
i know 2 of them are retired, joey jones also should be in that group.
 
reality check folks, IF rp was that good some college would have had him years ago, those above CHOSE to stay at the high school level, rp cant get a college job!
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Reply #23 - 07/30/07 at 10:36pm
 
Excellent point, Shylos, but the colleges are also highly adept at background investigations for PR reasons and so forth.  Could it be that colleges were indeed interested, but dug up the info on the "other family" and went in another direction?
 
And did anyone see him on Fox6 tonight?  Did anybody else hear Carly quote him as saying that, HIS faith would see the people of Hoover through this?  HIS faith????  Would save US???? What a pompous a** he is.  To me he looked like a man who saw his destiny...
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Reply #24 - 07/30/07 at 10:38pm
 
Quote from DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 10:36pm:
Excellent point, Shylos, but the colleges are also highly adept at background investigations for PR reasons and so forth.  Could it be that colleges were indeed interested, but dug up the info on the "other family" and went in another direction?

And did anyone see him on Fox6 tonight?  Did anybody else hear Carly quote him as saying that, HIS faith would see the people of Hoover through this?  HIS faith????  Would save US???? What a pompous a** he is.  To me he looked like a man who saw his destiny...

 
...and it was dark and cold and lonely.
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Reply #25 - 07/30/07 at 10:39pm
 
All those schools you listed except Yancy at Briarwood have losing records to Propst. Bottomine no matter what he is still the best Coach X's and O's wise in the state maybe the nation.  Jack Woods got his a&& whipped by Propst in 2001 they held a Brandon Cox offense to -88 yards rushing and Hoover had 424 yards at halftime. Hoover scored 52 but could have scored 90 if they wanted too.
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Reply #26 - 07/30/07 at 10:42pm
 
So what?  It's not like he brought peace to the Middle East or cured cancer.  He's MERELY a freakin' football coach.
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Reply #27 - 07/30/07 at 10:56pm
 
Quote from Bucsfan on 07/30/07 at 10:39pm:
All those schools you listed except Yancy at Briarwood have losing records to Propst. Bottomine no matter what he is still the best Coach X's and O's wise in the state maybe the nation.  Jack Woods got his a&& whipped by Propst in 2001 they held a Brandon Cox offense to -88 yards rushing and Hoover had 424 yards at halftime. Hoover scored 52 but could have scored 90 if they wanted too.

 
Question for you, Bucsfan, since you seem to know a little about football:  How many of those victories were because of the coach, how many because of the system and how many because of the players?  In other words, take any of the three variables out (coach, system, players) would the outcome still have been the same?
 
As you probably know, Bill Walsh, former coach of the 49ers died today.  He drafted Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, arguably the best QB and wide receiver to ever play the game.  Would either of them have been as good had they not had Walsh as a head coach or played in the West Coast Offense?  
 
I think it's fair to say that Rush is a good coach.  He has not proven otherwise.  But would his departure, tomorrow or in five years, spell the end of Hoover football?  An honest answer would be appreciated.
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Reply #28 - 07/30/07 at 10:57pm
 
RP can bring God into it all he wants but we can see through that... He was right about we do have a forgiving GOD, but you can't do the same sin over and over again and then when the heat is on you ask for forgiveness. Who am I to judge, but he has been in a realtionship with Stephanie for 14 years, while married to his legal wife. Has had 3 children with Stephanie, unmarried, etc.. He thinks he is untouchable and this is the problem.  
Not sure why noone in Pell City wants to talk and tell what they know. From what I have heard, part of the problem is this has been known for so many years and noone in the media has listened before so why would they listen now? Plus, they are putting themselves on the line for the Hoover Mofia.
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Reply #29 - 07/30/07 at 11:52pm
 
hoover has better athletes than the other schools by a wide margin lately
 
in sheer numbers i mean, i saw hoover play 5A parker a few years ago under probst and parker outplayed them badly in the first half, but the players wore down and a couple of the stars got injured.
 
one coach has 200 players out for the team and parker has maybe 50.
 
pelham used to suit up well over 100 for home games.
 
mt. brook had no business whatsoever of being close to hoover talentwise.
 
the only school close was vestavia
 
another coach i left out Vakakes mispelled i am sure.
 
 
ALL of the coaches i have named would have won those titles had they been at hoover in the last several years, the players won those games not probst...the community helped recruit and success breeds success.
 
another coach that would have won those and MORE may God rest his soul....Bob Finley, with one difference he would have won with CLASS and accepted nor desired any credit.
 
 
another point, NONE of those coaches named above would have allowed their team to gather at midfield before the game at spain park and paw at their mascot like a herd of buffalo right before the game, and then proceed to be penalized repeatedly for late hits the whole game(spain park also participated it takes, 2 to tango and spain park played just as dirty once the game got going).
 
 
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Reply #30 - 07/31/07 at 8:03am
 
Quote from ILuvHoova on 07/30/07 at 10:01pm:
That's what's wrong with high school football. Thank you for putting it so succinctly, MoS and LawMom.

 
??? what did I say?
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Reply #31 - 07/31/07 at 8:06am
 
Quote from Shylos Seven on 07/30/07 at 10:32pm:
rp may not be in the top 5 coaches in this area.... curtis coleman, buddy anderson, fred yancy, bob newton, and jack woods ALL are as good or batter as coaches.

i know 2 of them are retired, joey jones also should be in that group.

reality check folks, IF rp was that good some college would have had him years ago, those above CHOSE to stay at the high school level, rp cant get a college job!

 
College programs are VERY careful who they recruit for coaches. If all this stuff had come out about an Alabama or Auburn coach, they would be toast. No one has OFFERED RP anything! I personally think that anyone interested in him asked around and found out what we all know about his personal life and wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole.
 
Get a grip people, he is not THAT good. After he is finished here...he would be lucky to teach PE in an elementary school with his wife.
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Reply #32 - 07/31/07 at 8:43am
 
Shylos, your responce is insolent and tainted, thus constitutes no retort.  
 
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Reply #33 - 07/31/07 at 9:07am
 
mos how about rebutting points i made rather than  just a gutless comment?
 
tainted how please?
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Reply #34 - 07/31/07 at 9:12am
 
LawMom, my SINCERE apologies.  I was reading too fast and INCORRECTLY used your name.  Please accept my apology.
 
I meant HooverHooch:  "As long as he keeps it in his pants while I am in the room, I do not have a problem with the man."
 
And MoS: "I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line."
 
I'll address HH first.  You should have a problem with the man (and I use that term loosely) because he is around children all day long, 7 days a week.  Allegations are now surfacing out of two previous high schools that make me wonder if RP should be allowed around anyone, child or adult.  The problem IS that he can't keep it in his pants.  He has NO BUSINESS coaching young men in ANY subject, athletics included.  We cannot simply make excuses for him, "he's a great coach", etc., because his standards (or lack of standards) will invade the children and families he associates with.  AND, and this is the big one, HE IS A COMMUNITY LEADER IN HOOVER, ALABAMA.  We are the laughingstock of the state, quite possibly soon the entire nation.  Are you really okay with RP being the image of Hoover?  RP and Hoover High School are forever intertwined.  People across the ENTIRE COUNTRY OF AMERICA know who RP is---and I dare say that most think he's an a$$.  Our teachers are embarassed to be associated with RP when they attend national conferences.  Teachers and administrators constantly take the heat because he's a foul-mouthed, now-revealed-to-be-an-adulterer, jerk who cares more about the game of football than his wedding vow (the infamous MTV scene where he pointed to his wedding ring and said something as stupid as I've ever heard).
 
What sets RP apart from other teachers and administrators in the system is that he is a NATIONAL FIGURE!  He wanted it that way, and now he's got it!  The spotlight is shining a bit too hot for him now, but when you become a national figure, you don't get to pick and choose what your media buddies print and show about you anymore.
 
HH, what if he kept it in his pants while you were in the room, but whipped it out with a student?  How would you feel then?  Oh, if the student was 18, you could hide behind the "two consensual adults" crap, I'm sure.  RP is uncontrollable.  By anyone.  He is far too dangerous to keep around anymore.  He needs to go.  Now.
 
MoS:  "I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line."
 
It's no longer gossip and rumor.  You will keep repeating that because you can't believe that your hero could be such a loser.  I'm sorry, MoS.  But it's true.  Football isn't all that matters.  As soon as 97% of those boys graduate, they never touch a football field again except on Saturdays and Sundays when they meet up with their high school buddies to relive the Glory Days.
 
There is something worth more than Football.  It's called Life.  Life is full of many many events and happenings and relationships and other worthwhile pursuits.  Football is but one piece for some, not a piece at all for others.  But because of the sheer brute force of the game and those that play, the Football People are more likely to grow into a powerful force.  That doesn't make it right.  Most people that I know that played the game grow on up and move forward.  Football has its place in their memory, but it doesn't take over their entire lives the way it appears to for the powerful group in Hoover.
 
Many benefitted from Hoover Reign on Top.  The City Council and the developers mostly.  The national fame and glory that RP took the team to made Hoover a household name.  Who's to say that the President didn't first hear of Hoover through MTV or ESPN and then decided to make a couple of visits here, which brought more fame to the city.  The people who stand to benefit most from pimping the young men of this community to the national football gods are those who stand to gain monetarily.  Who might that be?  Think about it.  Business owners and developers.  Hotels.  Anyone with their business' name connected to Hoover football.  A lot of people rode on RP's coattails to get their 15 minutes and their pockets lined.
 
The people that allow RP to use their sons to maintain and further gain national exposure are guilty of pimping their young sons for RP.  There are parents who refuse to let their sons even stand on the same field as RP, even though their sons might wish to play football, because of RP's character.  That has degraded our "community" football program.
 
The more "recruits" RP brings in, the more diluted the "community" program becomes.  Why should the kids who have been busting their behinds at football practice since they were in the 2nd grade get sat on the bench because of RP's recruits?  How do you think that boy feels?  Betrayed?  Tricked?  Why is that okay to take a boy from our community and push him aside in RP's quest for that National Championship?
 
RP has left so many victims in his wake, it's hard to keep count.  That's what's wrong with him and what's wrong with high school football.  All perspective has been lost in pursuit of glory.
 
That's why RP needs to go.  Now.
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Reply #35 - 07/31/07 at 9:24am
 
Our teachers are embarassed to be associated with RP when they attend national conferences.  Teachers and administrators constantly take the heat because he's a foul-mouthed, now-revealed-to-be-an-adulterer, jerk.
 
 
Are you a teacher?Or is this merely opinion?
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Reply #36 - 07/31/07 at 10:55am
 
It is a fact.  Another one that you'll attempt to deny.  Ask any teacher or administrator that has been to a national conference recently if they were identified with Two-A-Days.  Ask if there was a smirk on the face of the person asking the question.
 
Here's just one of many anecdotes:  an adminstrator was recently at a national conference (within the last 2 months).  A counterpart from a school system in the northeast asked if our administrator was from THE Hoover High School of Two-A-Days notoriety.  Our administrator smiled politely and say yes.  The counterpart (a male, in the 50+ age range) said "have you fired that coach yet?"  
 
Facts.  Indisputable.  Hoover's reputation is going down the tubes because we continue, as a community, to publicly support RP.
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I'll address HH first. You should have a problem with the man (and I use that term loosely) because he is around children all day long, 7 days a week. Allegations are now surfacing out of two previous high schools that make me wonder if RP should be allowed around anyone, child or adult. The problem IS that he can't keep it in his pants. He has NO BUSINESS coaching young men in ANY subject, athletics included. We cannot simply make excuses for him, "he's a great coach", etc., because his standards (or lack of standards) will invade the children and families he associates with. AND, and this is the big one, HE IS A COMMUNITY LEADER IN HOOVER, ALABAMA. We are the laughingstock of the state, quite possibly soon the entire nation. Are you really okay with RP being the image of Hoover? RP and Hoover High School are forever intertwined. People across the ENTIRE COUNTRY OF AMERICA know who RP is---and I dare say that most think he's an a$$. Our teachers are embarassed to be associated with RP when they attend national conferences. Teachers and administrators constantly take the heat because he's a foul-mouthed, now-revealed-to-be-an-adulterer, jerk who cares more about the game of football than his wedding vow (the infamous MTV scene where he pointed to his wedding ring and said something as stupid as I've ever heard).

What sets RP apart from other teachers and administrators in the system is that he is a NATIONAL FIGURE! He wanted it that way, and now he's got it! The spotlight is shining a bit too hot for him now, but when you become a national figure, you don't get to pick and choose what your media buddies print and show about you anymore.

HH, what if he kept it in his pants while you were in the room, but whipped it out with a student? How would you feel then? Oh, if the student was 18, you could hide behind the "two consensual adults" crap, I'm sure. RP is uncontrollable. By anyone. He is far too dangerous to keep around anymore. He needs to go. Now.

 
I have been very clear in that if he were having relations with a student, that this would be a whole other issue as there is a difference between consensual and statutory.  If he can't keep in his pants, as long as the women of the system are offering him a place to put it, it looks like the scorn has been awfully one sided in these two sided actions.
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Reply #38 - 07/31/07 at 12:08pm
 
So his playboy image doesn't bother you?  It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown?
 
The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well.  No question about that.  An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned.  Best to clear the air of all concerned.  And don't say "it happens everywhere".  Just because it does, it doesn't make it right.  Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered.
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Reply #39 - 07/31/07 at 12:09pm
 
Quote from ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 12:08pm:
So his playboy image doesn't bother you? It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown?

The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well. No question about that. An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned. Best to clear the air of all concerned. And don't say "it happens everywhere". Just because it does, it doesn't make it right. Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered.

 
Playing devil's advocate, what's the worst that could happen if the status quo remains?
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