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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #120 - 08/02/07 at 10:11am

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:02am:

Yes Momminator, he knows this. He is like isport in the sense that he only wants to agitate this forum and make no worthy post except to point his Christian finger.

billybob, it probably is iSport. He uses a variety of screen names (and admitted as much in another forum). This is his life.

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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #121 - 08/02/07 at 10:15am

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:24am:

Let me get my can of whoop a$$ out. Look if you want to let your children think it is ok to commit adultry, go ahead, have at it. If you want to teach them to lie, have at that too. Go ahead, teach them that football is the most important thing at all cost.

As superdolfan says, you opened your mouth and proved it.

You are right. I should punish my child by not allowing him to play football because a guy who has a job coaching the team has made bad decisions in his personal life.

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

You all are the most selfish individuals I have ever encountered. You want a man prosecuted and terminated because you think that what he has done in his personal life will outweigh what who have (or should have) been teaching your children all along. You want him gone to make yourself feel better about yourself. It is comical. Firing him doesn't make any of this go away.

Then, you try to take my opinion, which has always been that what he did was wrong, shameful, and should be handled in private, intimate, family setting between Rush, his wife, his mistress, and however many girlfriends and divorce attorneys it would take, and try to turn it into me saying that I approve of him committing adultery. Your comments make no sense.

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billybob555 Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #122 - 08/02/07 at 10:23am Hey can you see down here from your high and mighty pedestal? Like you are a great person saying that I need a parenting book for dummies. You don't know me, yet you can make gossip about my parenting? Why is what you do to me different than someone talking about the coach?
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Reply #123 - 08/02/07 at 10:26am

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:31am:

You are right LawMom. These are the type people that blame someone else when something happens to their children.

The same type that try to blame a football coach for your kids going out and humping anything that moves or are you a different type than that? Your comments make no sense.

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Reply #124 - 08/02/07 at 10:27am

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:23am:

Hey can you see down here from your high and mighty pedestal?

Like you are a great person saying that I need a parenting book for dummies. You don't know me, yet you can make gossip about my parenting? Why is what you do to me different than someone talking about the coach?

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

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Reply #125 - 08/02/07 at 10:29am

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:23am:

Hey can you see down here from your high and mighty pedestal?

Like you are a great person saying that I need a parenting book for dummies. You don't know me, yet you can make gossip about my parenting? Why is what you do to me different than someone talking about the coach?

Sorry, did you want me to sugarcoat it for you?

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billybob555 Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #126 - 08/02/07 at 10:29am There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read.
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billybob555 Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #127 - 08/02/07 at 10:32am You need to stop inhaling and put the pipe down.
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HooverHooch Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #128 - 08/02/07 at 10:38am Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am: There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read. BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.
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LawMom Hoover Forum JV THE Hoover Forum Posts: 335 Gender:	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #129 - 08/02/07 at 10:42am Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:15am: Firing him doesn't make any of this go away. Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys.
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billybob555 Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #130 - 08/02/07 at 10:43am I do not have to go back and find anything. You prove it every time you hit a key on your computer with your keep it in house attitude. You are the one that twist words and you think you are so much smarter than anyone here. You are not worthy of anymore of my time.
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Reply #131 - 08/02/07 at 10:54am

Quote from LawMom on 08/02/07 at 10:42am:

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:15am:

Firing him doesn't make any of this go away.

Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys.

Ummm, no it doesn't. If he is causing as much harm as you have insinuated, then the ramifications will take years of therapy for all of your kids to overcome.

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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #132 - 08/02/07 at 11:02am

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:38am:

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am:

There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read.

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong.

Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week.

We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought.

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Reply #133 - 08/02/07 at 11:10am

Quote from momminator on 08/02/07 at 9:45am:

Folks, I think Hooch is just a big proponent of the 'live and let live' philosophy which generally is totally espoused by many younger adults. I know I would defend this philosophy to the death in my early twenties. This operating philosophy becomes harder and harder to continue to believe as you progress in age and have seen a great deal of life. At least for me, that philosophy was totally mine through my twenties and into the early 30's. But as my life has progressed, children have grown, I've been thru a divorce and a happy remarriage, and I've seen many things and faced more and more moral dilemmas until truthfully I could no longer be totally disinterested and just write everything off into 'live and let live'.

I have seen far too much collateral damage to friends, families, children of friends and my own children to just agree to ignore egregious behaviour and never say a word or try to invoke a change in behavior. I deeply believe that 'judge not, lest ye be judged' and I certainly know it's the Lord's final judgement is all that matters, so I know not to make any judgements on RP soul.... but I know enough honest fact to have lots of concern in this situation.

While I appreciate the thought that I may be in my early 30's, the fact is that I have dealt with people that are so much worse, people that are just outright evil, people that will ruin you in a heartbeat if it means getting them another dollar, that I just can't see myself getting all outraged about a man having an affair.

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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #134 - 08/02/07 at 11:27am

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 11:10am:

Quote from momminator on 08/02/07 at 9:45am:

Folks, I think Hooch is just a big proponent of the 'live and let live' philosophy which generally is totally espoused by many younger adults. I know I would defend this philosophy to the death in my early twenties. This operating philosophy becomes harder and harder to continue to believe as you progress in age and have seen a great deal of life. At least for me, that philosophy was totally mine through my twenties and into the early 30's. But as my life has progressed, children have grown, I've been thru a divorce and a happy remarriage, and I've seen many things and faced more and more moral dilemmas until truthfully I could no longer be totally disinterested and just write everything off into 'live and let live'.

I have seen far too much collateral damage to friends, families, children of friends and my own children to just agree to ignore egregious behaviour and never say a word or try to invoke a change in behavior. I deeply believe that 'judge not, lest ye be judged' and I certainly know it's the Lord's final judgement is all that matters, so I know not to make any judgements on RP soul.... but I know enough honest fact to have lots of concern in this situation.

While I appreciate the thought that I may be in my early 30's, the fact is that I have dealt with people that are so much worse, people that are just outright evil, people that will ruin you in a heartbeat if it means getting them another dollar, that I just can't see myself getting all outraged about a man having an affair.

Worked for Scrushy, huh?

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Reply #135 - 08/02/07 at 11:29am

Quote from superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 11:02am:

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:38am:

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am:

There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read.

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong.

Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week.

We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought.

I appreciate your civil tone, and we will just have to agree to disagree. I do not have a child at HHS yet. My oldest is my daughter who will be in 9th grade at the Freshman Campus, which looks incredible by the way. I was finally able to hobble through earlier this week. My youngest will be 7th grade at Bumpus. We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is.

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billybob555 Ex Member	Re: And then it became national news... Reply #136 - 08/02/07 at 11:33am Worked for Scrushy, huh? DriveSouth, thank you. You make me laugh.
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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #137 - 08/02/07 at 11:45am

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:54am:

Quote from LawMom on 08/02/07 at 10:42am:

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:15am:

Firing him doesn't make any of this go away.

Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys.

Ummm, no it doesn't. If he is causing as much harm as you have insinuated, then the ramifications will take years of therapy for all of your kids to overcome.

So I guess we need to keep him as coach so more and more and more boys can be destined for years of therapy.

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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #138 - 08/02/07 at 11:46am

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 11:29am:

Quote from superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 11:02am:

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:38am:

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am:

There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read.

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong.

Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week.

We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought.

I appreciate your civil tone, and we will just have to agree to disagree. I do not have a child at HHS yet. My oldest is my daughter who will be in 9th grade at the Freshman Campus, which looks incredible by the way. I was finally able to hobble through earlier this week. My youngest will be 7th grade at Bumpus. We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is.

BUT, as one of the board members said..."These boys spend MORE time with RP than they do their own family." Hard to deny an influence like that.

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Re: And then it became national news...
Reply #139 - 08/02/07 at 11:47am

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 11:29am:

Quote from superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 11:02am:

Quote from HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:38am:

Quote from billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am:

There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read.

BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior.

If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong.

Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week.

We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought.

We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is.

Strap yourself in because you're in for a wild ride! What you have experienced in elementary school and middle school doesn't shine a light to what you are about to experience in high school. Prepare to be disappointed at least once or twice. Stay strong, stay involved. Always.

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