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When you let morals go out the window
07/18/07 at 10:20pm
 
and old fashion doing the right thing go by without somebody standing up and doing whats right this is what you get a big mountain of pure %&^$.  Alot of hard working folks who have help support the football program did not know this crap was going own so it is a big blow to the regular non-insiders at Hoover. Your average working guy with a family that supports the team can't help what crazy Rush does.  When he started the affiar within the school he should have been let go then. I like state titles and games on TV but whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong.
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Reply #1 - 07/19/07 at 6:35am
 
The votes weren't there on the school board to fire Rush.  Even today, if you ask a couple of the school board members about this, they will flatly deny that it happened.
 
The Superintendent was compromised by the fact that the city council was gunning for her job, and the school board was looking to fire her as soon as possible.  Hoover was rolling toward a State Championship, and MTV was all over the place with cameras.
 
Can you imagine the s***storm that would have taken place if Rush had been fired in the middle of that season?
 
The sad thing is, even with the past issues now known publicly, and with the disturbing present issues coming to light, the votes are still not there on the school board to fire Rush.  
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Reply #2 - 07/19/07 at 8:32am
 
Okay, so don't fire him.  Ask him to leave.  If he cares one small iota about his Hoover Bucs, he'd do the right thing and get the heck out of here.  He is a liability.  Always has been.  From Day One.  But because he won football games (and still does), he's given a free pass.  
 
This mess will certainly test our community to the limits.  When all of the details are out there, we'll see who stands where.
 
Way to go, Rushie.  
 
Thanks for pitting neighbor against neighbor.  
 
Thanks for being such a jerk that everyone in the entire state hates Hoover.  
 
Thanks for tearing down every single shred of what Coach Bob Finley stood for.  You must be so proud.
 
Thanks for bringing MTV to our fair city so that we could all see how vile the inside of your football program is.
 
Thanks for recruiting football players from other cities so that the boys who have been in the football program since PeeWee football could sit the bench their junior and senior years.  I'm sure their parents appreciate it, too.  After raising money and supporting the football program for 10 years, they get to watch their son be replaced by some star athlete from Hanceville.
 
Thanks for having so many assistant football coaches that no other sports at HHS get the kind of support they need to succeed on the same level as your football program.
 
Thanks for having your buddy, Bishy, hired as principal so that not only the athletic integrity of HHS is in question, but the academic integrity as well.
 
Thanks for bringing so much glory to our city that our Hoover teachers are embarrassed when they attend national conferences to be pointed out as "oh, y'all are from Hoover, the Two-A-Days school".  Wonder how long the really good teachers are going to put up with your crap.
 
Thanks for spreading your seed and populating Pell City as well.
 
Thanks for seeking out that female administrator and ruining her reputation and career.
 
Thanks for being such a fine role model for our young men, as any heroic football coach would.
 
Thanks for being such a fine father and husband.  Many young men look to you for guidance.  
 
Thanks for taking the role of community icon so seriously and working so hard to be a fine, moral human being.
 
Sad thing is, 1990 is right.  Our Board has no intentions of firing you.  They're morally vacant people as well.  How can people in glass houses throw stones?
 
What a service you've done for our community.  Thanks.
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Reply #3 - 07/19/07 at 8:38am
 
The unfortunate thing is not that the moral compass is broken.  I believe the moral compass does not even exist here any more.
 
The lengths we will go to rationalize someone's behavior becomes problematic in the sense that each time it extends the line a litlte further on what we say is acceptable or unacceptable behavior.  If we accept it because he or she is a high school coach, teacher or administrator, then do we accept the same behavior at the middle or elementary school level?
 
I have already seen the "trickle down" effect into middle school sports where the behavior of the student/athlete in and out of the classroom was simply ingored because of his/her ability to help the team "win".  
 
The biggest question we have to answer does not have to individuals involved in this situation.  It has to do with our community as a whole.  If we had coaches in place that gave us the highest and finest qualities in the student/athletes they produced, yet did not win enough games or win enough championships, how long would it be before we found a way to get rid of them?  How do we find balance between our need to win as parents and adults and simply doing what is right to produce the quality and characterics we want for the kids of our community?  It is time we all did a lot of soul searching.
 
Can we have both?  I believe this community had it in Bob Finley. All his teams were well coached, well disciplined, and above all, played with the poise and character all could be proud of.  And by the way, Coach Finley also won games.   Coaches like Coach Finley are few and far between, however they do exist.  We just have to decide If we want "balance" anymore.
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Reply #4 - 07/19/07 at 8:56am
 
I am a Hoover Bucs fan and have attended most home games and many away games over the last 10 years.  
 
I am sick & tired of Rush Propst and what his actions have done and are doing to this community. Anybody in power that continues to support him is blind and should also consider stepping aside. I know Coach Grass at SPHS and believe he is a fine Christian man and that he has built a staff in his image. I wish him well against everyone but Hoover, but part of me would be happy if he beats Rush this year especially if that helps get rid of Rush.
 
I dream of the day Hoover has a decent moral coach and staff to lead our kids and represent our community. I no longer am proud to be a fan of the program simply because of him and that makes me sick.
 
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Reply #5 - 07/19/07 at 9:01am
 
At this point, firing RP is the least of the BOE's, CC's and mayor's problem(s). The mishandling/misappropriation/disappearance of the lucrative media accounts which  BELONGED to the school system, not to any one individual or group of individuals, will trigger enough investigations by the pertinent state agencies and SACS to bring this unethical gang down.  Believe me, this BOE and superintendent are going to be consumed with covering their tracks. They risk civil AND criminal liability for any willful, knowing and/or intentional mishandling of these financial accounts.
 
Frankly, I hope they don't fire RP.  It will be an admission that they've known all along about his flawed character (to say the least), and not only condoned it, but helped to support and hide it.  This will make it much easier for us to vote out the mayor and entire CC next June.  If the candidates who throw their hats into the ring make this their platform and promise to replace the entire BOE as one of their first actions (and they would have the power to do this), Hoover will be on the road to recovery starting within the next year.  Even if some or all of these BOE  members are sanctioned and removed by the state BOE or SACS before the election, as long as the current CC is able to name their replacements, the integrity of the school system will remain at risk.  It is imperative to change each of these elected officials.   They are all in this together.  And it is only appropriate that they all leave together.    
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Reply #6 - 07/19/07 at 9:13am
 
radar49, I find your posts to very informative and very scary!  If what you are saying is true, this is far more serious that RP and football.  Please keep us up to date on any information that you have.
 
I can't go tonight to the meeting so I hope that I can get information tomorrow from this forum.  I plan to attend Monday although I've been told it will not do any good.  I believe that parents going will show the BOE we are watching.
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Reply #7 - 07/19/07 at 10:01am
 
Quote from radar49 on 07/19/07 at 9:01am:

If the candidates who throw their hats into the ring make this their platform and promise to replace the entire BOE as one of their first actions (and they would have the power to do this), Hoover will be on the road to recovery starting within the next year.  Even if some or all of these BOE  members are sanctioned and removed by the state BOE or SACS before the election, as long as the current CC is able to name their replacements, the integrity of the school system will remain at risk.  It is imperative to change each of these elected officials.   They are all in this together.  And it is only appropriate that they all leave together.    

 
 
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Reply #8 - 07/19/07 at 1:22pm
 
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Reply #9 - 07/21/07 at 10:43am
 
Is RP in danger that if they find that this money in the " Private Account" has gone to him that he could serve time like Scrushy?  
Scrushy= Propst
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Reply #10 - 07/21/07 at 10:53am
 
Didn't they just find out that some teachers in the Birmingham system were taking up money for cheerleading and trips to Europe and some of the money "disappeared"?
 
This is the danger when money is not being properly accounted for and audited.  The auditing procedures are as much for the protection of those handling the money as they are for the people paying the money.
 
I've been dealing with some purchases for a booster organization I'm part of, and frankly, the procedures are a pain.  Especially in the summer when the people who have to sign off on it all are scattered all over the place.  But it is okay.  It is what we need to do, because everyone knows that the money is all accounted for, and no one can accuse us of doing anything wrong with the funds.
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Reply #11 - 07/22/07 at 10:47am
 
Question - with all the mega churches in the area - what has been said from the pulpits about the situations discussed?  I do believe cheating, adultry, etc. is in their realm for discussion.  And if there hasn't been much said - to use a football term - we need to get back to the fundamentals.
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Reply #12 - 07/22/07 at 11:05am
 
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Quote from HooverGirl on 07/22/07 at 10:47am:
Question - with all the mega churches in the area - what has been said from the pulpits about the situations discussed?  I do believe cheating, adultry, etc. is in their realm for discussion.  And if there hasn't been much said - to use a football term - we need to get back to the fundamentals.

 
The "mega-churches" have handled it as the Bible states.  The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident is one of the most well-known lessons of the Bible. A woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus Christ by the scribes and Pharisees as a test to see if the Messiah was a liberal in matters of the Law of God. In response to their query, He didn't condemn the woman, not because He was a liberal, not because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites. He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her.  I suggest you all take notice of this, move on with your lives and stay out of the lives of others that do not concern you,
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Reply #14 - 07/22/07 at 6:36pm
 
Hooverhooch,
I've been trying to keep up with the forum topics, but I must have missed something.  Did a public figure ask for forgiveness? If so, who?  If so, which "sin(s)" did he/she ask to be forgiven for?  Thanks for any additional information which you might be able to provide.
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Quote from radar49 on 07/22/07 at 6:36pm:
Hooverhooch,
I've been trying to keep up with the forum topics, but I must have missed something.  Did a public figure ask for forgiveness? If so, who?  If so, which "sin(s)" did he/she ask to be forgiven for?  Thanks for any additional information which you might be able to provide.

 
I am unaware of anyone asking for forgiveness and I have nothing to provide to this rediculous topic.  I am just having a problem understanding why everyone seems to think it is their business what Rush does outside of working hours.  If there is stolen money as noted in your post, then action should be taken, but I was not commenting on your statement.  I was more focused on the person who stated that she wants Rush called out during church.  It's my own fault for keeping up with these forums.  A guilty little pleasure if you will.  Not necessarily the topics, but the vast array of opinions that range from the totally rediculous to downright ignorant.  Just an inexpensive way of amusing myself  while I am in between projects as television has taken quite the spiral downward, especially during the daytime.
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Reply #16 - 07/22/07 at 8:00pm
 
Quote from HooverHooch on 07/22/07 at 7:04pm:
Quote from radar49 on 07/22/07 at 6:36pm:
Hooverhooch,
I've been trying to keep up with the forum topics, but I must have missed something.  Did a public figure ask for forgiveness? If so, who?  If so, which "sin(s)" did he/she ask to be forgiven for?  Thanks for any additional information which you might be able to provide.


I am unaware of anyone asking for forgiveness and I have nothing to provide to this rediculous topic.  I am just having a problem understanding why everyone seems to think it is their business what Rush does outside of working hours.  If there is stolen money as noted in your post, then action should be taken, but I was not commenting on your statement.  I was more focused on the person who stated that she wants Rush called out during church.  It's my own fault for keeping up with these forums.  A guilty little pleasure if you will.  Not necessarily the topics, but the vast array of opinions that range from the totally rediculous to downright ignorant.  Just an inexpensive way of amusing myself  while I am in between projects as television has taken quite the spiral downward, especially during the daytime.

 
Quote from HooverHooch on 07/22/07 at 5:24pm:
Quote from HooverGirl on 07/22/07 at 10:47am:
Question - with all the mega churches in the area - what has been said from the pulpits about the situations discussed?  I do believe cheating, adultry, etc. is in their realm for discussion.  And if there hasn't been much said - to use a football term - we need to get back to the fundamentals.


The "mega-churches" have handled it as the Bible states.  The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident is one of the most well-known lessons of the Bible. A woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus Christ by the scribes and Pharisees as a test to see if the Messiah was a liberal in matters of the Law of God. In response to their query, He didn't condemn the woman, not because He was a liberal, not because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites. He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her.  I suggest you all take notice of this, move on with your lives and stay out of the lives of others that do not concern you,

 
I have tried SO hard to not comment on this thread but your last two posts make it nearly impossible to keep my mouth shut.
 
Allow me to address your two posts. It is always good to quote scripture when it supports our cause, right?  Well, since we're on a scripture quoting roll, we could quote one of the 10 Commandments which I do believe addresses this issue square on.  But I choose not to go that route.  I'll go a different route with you.
 
Please tell me, oh wise one who quotes from the Bible, what I should say to my teenage son who looks up to said person and asks about the situation?  Should I say "Son, are you without sin?  Should you cast the first stone?", or how about this one "Son, what grownups do in their own time is their business.  You should not concern yourself with that.  When you're a grownup then you can also decide if you want to go that route."  Or how about "Son, what are you talking about?  This is nothing but a bunch of gossip that doesn't concern us.  What?  She came along to a practice?  So what?  We are Christians and we don't cast the first stone.  What others do is none of our concern, even if you do look up to them and they do not hide it."
 
And before you say "Well, how does your son know about it?".  They know.  I just asked him a very simple question regarding the grade changing investigation to see if he was even aware of it (we have not talked about it, nor have we talked about anything else pertaining to the situation).  Names, dates, times, schools and whatever else you want to know came out of that boy's mouth.  I learned more in 30 seconds from that boy that I have since the investigation started.  They know.  And they justify it based on who the adult is.  In this case, a role model.
 
You see, my friend HH, it's so different when it involves someone your child admires, respects, considers a role model.  See, if he is not taught that this type of behavior is improper, he's going to grow up and repeat the behavior using this person as justification ("Well, HE did it, so it must be OK").  No, HH, sometimes you can't look the other way.  You have to say "enough is enough".  Frankly, I could care less what people do in their spare time, as long as it doesn't affect me.  Guess what?  It's affecting me by getting to my child.  I get to play interference when my kid is affected by it.  Does that compute with you?  Fidelity and loyalty are very important traits that I have taught to my children.  I cannot allow someone to undo them by flaunting improper behavior.
 
It's time for him to sing the Jimmy Swaggart song.  That's the only thing that could possibly rescue the situation, but even that may be too late.  I'm hoping that you had your head out of the Bible long enough to read this.  The problem exists.  It's public.  It needs to go away, and no amount of out of context scripture quoting will make it go away.  Only the involved parties can make it go away.
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Reply #17 - 07/22/07 at 8:29pm
 
Thank you superdolfan, what you wrote really makes you look at it from the other side.  I have always thought that children know far more than what we as parents give them creidt for.
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Reply #18 - 07/22/07 at 8:33pm
 
Amen and Alleluia!  Can't put in an exact quote, but doesn't it say somewhere in the good book to teach your children in the way of the Lord?  Not look the other way and ignore it.  That's different than casting a stone...
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Reply #19 - 07/22/07 at 10:21pm
 
Allow me to address your two posts. It is always good to quote scripture when it supports our cause, right?  Well, since we're on a scripture quoting roll, we could quote one of the 10 Commandments which I do believe addresses this issue square on.  But I choose not to go that route.  I'll go a different route with you.
 
I don't normally quote scripture, but felt it was appropriate for the post I was responding to, which asked how come the churches hadn't made an example of this man.
 
Please tell me, oh wise one who quotes from the Bible, what I should say to my teenage son who looks up to said person and asks about the situation?  Should I say "Son, are you without sin?  Should you cast the first stone?", or how about this one "Son, what grownups do in their own time is their business.  You should not concern yourself with that.  When you're a grownup then you can also decide if you want to go that route."  Or how about "Son, what are you talking about?  This is nothing but a bunch of gossip that doesn't concern us.  What?  She came along to a practice?  So what?  We are Christians and we don't cast the first stone.  What others do is none of our concern, even if you do look up to them and they do not hide it."
 
You could say that, or you could simply explain that this man is not a role model, he is a public servant who has made some choices in his personal life that do not reflect the ways that you raised your child.  If your child has questions, answer them openly and honestly.  This lynch mob mentality has got to stop.  
 
And before you say "Well, how does your son know about it?".  They know.  I just asked him a very simple question regarding the grade changing investigation to see if he was even aware of it (we have not talked about it, nor have we talked about anything else pertaining to the situation).  Names, dates, times, schools and whatever else you want to know came out of that boy's mouth.  I learned more in 30 seconds from that boy that I have since the investigation started.  They know.  And they justify it based on who the adult is.  In this case, a role model.
 
I know everybody knows about it.  I never said that it didn't happen.  All I ever said was that it does not belong in the newspaper or in a public forum.  It is between Mr and Mrs Propst and their attorneys.  As far as the grade changing investigation, why don't you just call Erin Stock and get this whole thing over with and save the system a whole lot of investigation money.
 
You see, my friend HH, it's so different when it involves someone your child admires, respects, considers a role model.  See, if he is not taught that this type of behavior is improper, he's going to grow up and repeat the behavior using this person as justification ("Well, HE did it, so it must be OK").  No, HH, sometimes you can't look the other way.  You have to say "enough is enough".  Frankly, I could care less what people do in their spare time, as long as it doesn't affect me.  Guess what?  It's affecting me by getting to my child.  I get to play interference when my kid is affected by it.  Does that compute with you?  Fidelity and loyalty are very important traits that I have taught to my children.  I cannot allow someone to undo them by flaunting improper behavior.
 
I understand.  Teach your children that this behavior is improper.  If a high school football coach can undo in 4 years what you taught over the course of 18 years, then I am sorry for your situation.  
 
It's time for him to sing the Jimmy Swaggart song.  That's the only thing that could possibly rescue the situation, but even that may be too late.  I'm hoping that you had your head out of the Bible long enough to read this.  The problem exists.  It's public.  It needs to go away, and no amount of out of context scripture quoting will make it go away.  Only the involved parties can make it go away.
 
I don't know what the Jimmy Swaggert song is.  I'm sorry that you feel that reading the Bible is a bad thing.  That might be part of the problem.  I am aware that it is public, but it should be a private family matter.  If only the involved parties can make it go away, and the involved parties are not on this forum, then what exactly are you trying to accomplish?.
 
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