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New Principal at Simmons
07/09/07 at 11:38pm
 
I hear they are in the process of hiring a new principal at Simmons since the Wicked Witch has been transferred to the Board. (Don't worry about libel, I have a picture of her as her alter ego.)
 
I hear that corrupt and ignorant followers of Barber are pushing Paul Litten to be principal. Heaven help us all if that is the best person they can come up with.
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Reply #1 - 07/10/07 at 8:39am
 
I will fight Paul Litten becoming the principle with all I have.  This man in my opinion has NO business working at the school in any capacity and that includes cleaning the floors.  What a wasted space he is.  I heard that Cain may be it.
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Reply #2 - 07/10/07 at 9:21am
 
billybob, where did you hear that Mr. Cain might be it?  Frankly that would be the best news I have heard all year, especially with me having an incoming 6th grader.  But going into his 3rd year at Crossroads and from what I hear, he's doing a fantastic job.  I suppose that would be a promotion since SMS is bigger.  
 
I'm with you on Litton.  I've had two go through SMS so far and have only dealt with Litton with one, but I agree with you assessment of him.  I'm not on the same page with LawMom regarding CB, but I never had a problem with her (which doesn't take away from LawMom's comments, which she is completely entitled to and I don't dispute at all).
 
I've deal with Mr. Cain when he was at HHS and he is one of the finest administrators out there, bar none.
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Reply #3 - 07/10/07 at 9:51am
 
I heard it mentioned at a social function.  I have heard that he is a great choice and being considered for the position.  I do not know if he is "in" yet.  
 
I have heard things come out of Litten's mouth that make you wonder if he hears what he is saying.  IMO Litten is the WORST choice.
 
I found the last year of Barber to be only so-so.  I believe she knew she was movin on up way before we did.  She never solved the problem of certain teachers being late for school last year and was well aware of it.  I felt it set a bad example for the students as they are punished for excessive tardiness.  My child was in the hall when all the other students were being taught because the classroom was locked and their teacher was late again.  Several parents were unhappy about this.
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Reply #4 - 07/10/07 at 11:05am
 
I know that Barber is in on the hiring committee for the principal. I can only see that as a conflict of interest.  
 
The thing that concerns me the most is her disregard for student safety. She has never had the best interests of the students in mind. The teachers there have no respect for her. She spent time trying to make teachers park in certain places which they ignored. I guess if she can't make them park in the back lot, she couldn't make them show up on time. All the while, I'm sure, telling the board that all was perfect in Wonderland.
 
Here is one story for you: One night after a basketball game...she evidently had somewhere she had to be...as soon as the buzzer ran she was ushering people out. They were filing out of the bleachers and she TURNED THE LIGHTS OUT ON THEM. I would think that a 60 year old woman would realize how dangerous it is for people to try to get off the bleachers in the dark. (15 minutes after the game was over) Then again, she doesn't care about anyone's safety.
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Reply #5 - 07/10/07 at 7:50pm
 
MR Cain and Mr Nalls were my two choices for being principal at Hoover last year. I dont know much about Bishop with the exception of his brief public speaking appearances  undecided
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Reply #6 - 07/10/07 at 8:49pm
 
Huh Everyone on al.com and here not only seem to bashing Carol Barber but also Paul Litten, both of these educators have been with the system for a long time and have shown a lot of dedication and loyalty to the system through good times and bad (not like some, I won't name names)..I believe Carol is an excellent choice for Asst. Super. and will do a great job, and there are very few in the system with the experience that Mr. Litton has to run a school...you guys want to know how Mr. Cain has done at Crossroads, ask his staff, from what I understand they would be glad to see him go...is this who you want running Simmons, someone who cannot handle 80 kids...there are several good choices for this job, in my dealings with Mr. Litten, he would be a great choice.
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Reply #7 - 07/10/07 at 9:10pm
 
doll, let's analyze your post, shall we?  First, not everyone is bashing Mrs. Barber.  I for one found her to be an outstanding administrator.  Some of the "bashers" did not have the same experience as I had with her.  And just like I had a very positive experience with Mrs. Barber, I had an equally negative one with Mr. Litten.  I have dealt with many administrators, having put three children through the Hoover school system and he ranks right up there with...well, he doesn't have much competition in the ranks of the sorry administrators.
 
I dealt with Mr. Cain also.  I dealt with him when he was at HHS.  I have yet to find an administrator who cares more about his students than Mr. Cain.  He is now in a school with "troubled" kids, both from a discipline problem and from a "not fitting in" issue.  I don't know if you've ever set foot inside Cross Roads (which is actually two schools - Second Chance and New Beginnings).  He took the place of Mrs. Williams, who was very well liked by her staff, but did not have complete control of her students.  Being "liked" is not a job requirement of a school administrator.  Being respected is.  And as much as I like Mrs. Williams, I respect Mr. Cain - and I guarantee you that his kids and his faculty respect him as well.
 
Mr. Litten is and was in over his head at SMS as the 8th grade principal.  You do not, under any circumstances, "socially promote" a student.  He did.  I asked one of my children today who he respected the most at SMS during his time there.  His response?  Mrs. Barber.  And the least?  Mr. Litten.
 
But it doesn't matter what you or I think about who's going to be the principal.  The choice has already been made and now it is just a formality of make it official.  If you or I don't like it, too bad.  We can't fight it.  And even if we do, it won't matter.  He (or she) will stick.  That's just the way it works.
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Reply #8 - 07/10/07 at 10:46pm
 
Just as an FYI - Denise Williams has a doctorate and should be referred to as Dr. Williams.
 
Regarding Brian Cain:  My first experience with him was horrible.  But this past year my kid was at Crossroads.  First as a problem then later by choice.  I developed a new respect for Brian and learned that he loves his students and will do what it takes to help them succeed.  My kid has chosen to go back there when school starts - and I hope Brian is there to continue to guide him.  He listens and acts upon what students tell him.  
 
Nalls is another story.  IMHO, he has the same problem Bolt said Dennis suffered from - he's too big for his britches.
 
Maybe they will look to Berry for a principal.  Dr. Popinski and Margaret Kniesley are both excellent and deserve an opportunity to have a school of their own.
 
And FYI, I will not apply for any of the positions.
 
And for whoever said they didn't understand IMHO - it means in my humble opinion.
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Reply #9 - 07/11/07 at 6:37am
 
You know I come on here to try to put something positive about two fine administrators not calling out anyone's name who also posts on this site, but instead of having the right to my opinion, dolfan wants to "analyze" my post....
 
I said it "seems like" so that should take care of the rest of your argument.
 
Just because you have one negative interaction with someone, anyone, that does not mean they are "sorry"...boy, I bet you are hard to be friends with....you act like you are the only one that has dealt with administrators in Hoover, I have also dealt with many of them in many different ways, and by and large the majority are very well qualified and do a good job (some are just not as qualified as others for various reasons), even though people disagree with them at times, and have bad experiences with them at times, (a good leader always makes some people mad). Of course, like any school district in this country, there are some that should not be there, of course that goes for teachers, secretaries, cleaning people, etc.....schools do not have monopoly on robots, they are human too.
 
I will tell you that your information regarding Dr. Williams is completely erroneous.
 
If social promotion is your only problem with Mr. Litten, well it happens everywhere, not as much as it used to, but it is still occurring in ALL of our school systems...there are positives and negatives to social promotion, I am sure you know the negatives.
 
I do agree with Synergis....both Popinski and Kneisley are very good administrators.
 
So, I would like to be able to post my opinion and not be "analyzed" (I am glad you think you know so much more than I do about the Hoover School System)....I just would like to have one positive thing noted about Mr. Litten, he deserves at least one supporter....I am sure he has more, but most people don't have time to sit on these forums.
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Reply #10 - 07/11/07 at 8:08am
 
Doll45, are you saying that Litten is a great leader in your statements?  If you are your standards must be very, very low.  He has no leadership skills and as I said earlier, wasted space.
 
As far as Barber is concerned, I did not bash her, I pointed out that her last year at SMS was not that good.  When teachers are late three to four times each week and nothing is done, you are not doing your job.
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Reply #11 - 07/11/07 at 12:41pm
 
Good God people....I am allowed to have my opinion as you are allowed to have yours, without being insulted...there are very few administrators that I would have negative comments about, but I don't keep on and keep on about it on a public forum. I wanted something positive said and I have said it,...Mr. Litten has been employed as an administrator for 19 years with Hoover City....not the longest tenure but definately a good record...if he has POd you off recently, and I really haven't heard anything specific, except that someone believes he socially promoted a child, and for your information, only a principal can do that, teachers and assistant principals can provide input, but only an IEP team or the principal can make the final decision, but again if he has POd you off recently, then I am sorry, but as I said before, any leader that pacifies everyone is not a leader they are a patsy.  
 
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Reply #12 - 07/11/07 at 1:00pm
 
Touchy!!!!!  You are the one that brought up the fact that we are all bashers.  Do not dish it out if you can't take it.
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Reply #13 - 07/19/07 at 10:36pm
 
Thank God Cain is the new principal. Think about this....looks like Barber left Simmons in such bad shape that they had to call the Crossroads principal to fix things.
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Reply #14 - 07/19/07 at 10:42pm
 
If this is official, then all I have to say is "HURRAH!".  Mr. Cain is a fine, fine choice for the position.  He's fair, he's firm and will continue the excellence that the school is used to.
 
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