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Message started by Walktall on 07/31/07 at 8:38am

Title: Hunter Ford
Post by Walktall on 07/31/07 at 8:38am

Is really quiet, especially since allegations of infidelity have hit major media, wonder whats up?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 9:29am

Maybe he's sitting there smiling and congratulating himself on a job well done...or maybe he got a job.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/02/07 at 12:59pm

Maybe he is wearing cement shoes and sleeping with the fishes...no, seriously. I'm OK.

If I haven't clarified this enough, I would like ALL the people on this board to know that I have never taken any particular pleasure in bringing the story about RP into the light. I am satisfied however, that the story is newsworthy and should be considered important by everyone involved in the Hoover Community. So, professionally, I believe I did the right thing. I was shocked to see RP deny the allegations. The cover-up is always worse than whatever crime or indescretion has occcured. "You need to know that your president is not a crook"-Nixon "I never (with wagging finger) had sexual relations with that women...Monica Lewinsky"-Clinton
"I din't do it and you can't prove a thing"- Bart Simpson

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 1:02pm

Glad to hear from you, Hunter.

And welcome back!

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Hooverresi on 08/02/07 at 1:02pm

Hunter, what paper are you with now?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/02/07 at 1:04pm

Hunter have you tried to interview the pell city woman or the teachers that the talk is about? Are they not talking.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/02/07 at 1:15pm

First, I work for The Western Star in Bessemer. it is a weekly paper covering Bessemer, Hueytown and McCalla primarily, I also am writing articles for UAB Medicine Magazine on a freelance basis.

Second, I have tried to contact several people, who are not returning my calls. And I don't blame them.
Other people have several numbers which have been disconnected. But, in short, I am still trying to round out the story to the fullest possible extent and am using all the journalistic avenues available to me.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by JBH on 08/02/07 at 1:20pm

Did I read you at one time worked at a paper in Eufala? What was the scoop down there as to why a coach (RP) with a pretty good winning record left?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/02/07 at 1:24pm

So you never interviewed any of the woman Propst has been rumored to have slept with?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 1:36pm

hunterSF wrote:

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 1:52pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=hunterSF link=1185889108/0#2 date=1186077587]Maybe he is wearing cement shoes and sleeping with the fishes...no, seriously. I'm OK.

If I haven't clarified this enough, I would like ALL the people on this board to know that I have never taken any particular pleasure in bringing the story about RP into the light. I am satisfied however, that the story is newsworthy and should be considered important by everyone involved in the Hoover Community. So, professionally, I believe I did the right thing. I was shocked to see RP deny the allegations. The cover-up is always worse than whatever crime or indescretion has occcured. "You need to know that your president is not a crook"-Nixon "I never (with wagging finger) had sexual relations with that women...Monica Lewinsky"-Clinton
"I din't do it and you can't prove a thing"- Bart Simpson

I guess I need to ask the question, and I mean no disrespect by it. What do you hope to have happen? Was your plan to expose him because you felt his personal life was newsworthy, or was it assigned to you as a "job"?
[/quote]

I think it is apparent that Hunter was the first to remember what the term "journalism" meant. It also appears that more and more of his colleagues are starting to agree with him:

But the people in Hoover should care. Called into question is the character of their high school, their school board, their academic standards, their football program, their football coach - and, yes, his personal life is relevant here - and their community.
http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/rmelick.ssf?/base/sports/1186042980323000.xml&coll=2&thispage=2

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/02/07 at 3:26pm

In the grand scheme of things, an outside affair RP had with another woman who had nothing to do with the school system could be viewed as a non-story. However, if you combine that with alleged affairs with fellow school employees and a similar situation in Eufaula, plus allegations of academic fraud at Hoover, then you get a much broader story with many more implications.

Have I talked directly with any women Propst has had an affair with? No. Have I called some of them that have been implicated and left messages and had none returned. YES. Do they have to talk to me? Or to any other reporter? NO absolutely not.

If any of these women were deposed by Bishop's attorney's would they have to show up in front of a court reporter and tell the truth under oath? I believe so.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 3:42pm

That's fair. I can see where you are headed with it. I don't necessarily agree, but I see your point.
You thought a can of worms was opened with Bishop leaving. Propst will do everything in his power to turn Hoover on its ear and destroy the program if he is forced out. The letter Bishops lawyer wrote will be a lullaby in comparison.

Good luck.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 3:53pm

HooverHooch wrote:

Did he do that when Eufala made him leave? So we keep a tyrant because it's EASIER than telling him to leave. SO WHAT??? He leaves, this mess all goes away and him along with it. THE MESS FOLLOWS HIM. It won't stick around here.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/02/07 at 3:58pm

Well it goes back to what did people insiide the school system know and when did they know it? I did not "dig" anything up, or snoop around for dirt on Propst. My involvment with this story came into play when Jerry Browning resigned, and I learned about certain things that were being discussed in the wake of that resignation. I believe RP is a great football coach and I recommended him publicly for the job at UAB last year.

I still think he is a great football coach, as far as strategy and organization goes. The philosophical debate debate here is whether or not a majority of the community cares whether or not he also teaches chracter and morals or whether he leads by example along with teaching blocking and tackling.

I will tell you that I played football in High School and I cannot imagine the coach that I played for doing anything remotely close to what as been implicated about RP.

I can also tell you as a sports fan, that even coaches whom I have never played for made a big impact on my life as a young person.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by whomeever424 on 08/02/07 at 5:43pm

It is so beyond the "affair" you reported on. There is so much other. IE in 2000 parents who complained about RP were told by the principal "I have no control over Coach Propst." I WAS THERE!
Like has been said before "FOLLOW THE MONEY." That issue will make the affair(s) look mild.
WHat kind of school system is it that allows a coach so much control. Bishop was hired because RP wanted him. He was not renewed b/c RP wanted him gone.
Players families have been moved into HHS district by boosters.
Let's don't even get started on what happened with zoning when Spain Park opened and all that happened then. If you are interested I will be happy to start a topic on that!

By the way I have posted the item about the principal's quote in 2000 on the other board several times and it has been deleted.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 6:34pm

whomeever424 wrote:

I was reading a thread today and every time I clicked there was just a white screen. I refreshed the top pane, guess what? the thread had been deleted! LOL

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by truthseeker on 08/02/07 at 6:51pm

Hunter, I'll buy the book when you write it.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/02/07 at 7:59pm

So Hunter you wrote a story and talked about it on Finebaum without talking to any of the parties that were actually involved. That is bush league reporting.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by aka_deplume on 08/02/07 at 8:19pm

Bucsfan wrote:

So Hunter you wrote a story and talked about it on Finebaum without talking to any of the parties that were actually involved. That is bush league reporting.

So I have a question, Bucs: If a reporter is told of a story (which Hunter was) and he attempts to contact the parties (which he said he did) and they refuse to speak to him (which they did), does that then make it a non-story? Would not every "No comment" response from implicated parties in every event be non-stories then?

I would say you're being a bit harsh with the "bush league" comment if the parties did not want to comment, would you not agree?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/02/07 at 8:24pm

I just think if somebody writes a story he should have it from the horse's mouth.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by aka_deplume on 08/02/07 at 8:26pm

Bucsfan wrote:

I just think if somebody writes a story he should have it from the horse's mouth.

But unlike Mr. Ed, this horse didn't (and still doesn't) want to talk. That doesn't make the story go away.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Shylos Seven on 08/02/07 at 8:26pm

so when a rapist denies the rape or says no comment, there is no story and the police must accept that?

the ex husband has told his story through his lawyer!

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/02/07 at 9:09pm

The woman who got raped is the story from the horse mouth.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Shylos Seven on 08/02/07 at 9:11pm

can somebody translate, i dont speak jibberish?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 10:23pm

You're both speaking jibberish. Which darn horse are we referring to? Shylos you seem to be saying that until we hear from Rush, we won't know what happens. Bucsfan you seen to be saying that there is aleast one other horse...and maybe more.

Of course, I could have this entirely backwards...or sideways. In any case, it seems that neither of you will accept this until one of the parties who were in the room at the time of conception (or when they were practicing for it) publicly admits to the deed(s). And stranger still, you both seem to be on the same side...

Brother against brother...is it really worth this?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hoover123 on 08/03/07 at 9:03am

Hunter Ford said he was not able contact the WOMEN involved. He did get the story from Stehanie's ex-husband. Which the ex husband said he had proof of the affair when they divorced. So, yes Hunter Ford had proof. Don't know what it was but he had something to go on.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 9:29am

Look, Hunter may be many things, both bad and good, but I don't get the impression that he is stupid enough to publicly print what he has printed and say what he has said without backup.

I agree with you, 123, there is proof...regardless of whether or not some people want to accept that fact.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by momminator on 08/03/07 at 10:11am

Hmmm...bucsfan..do you have a degree in journalism? I doubt it.. I doubt you are any judge of bush-league reporting.

The point above about every 'no comment' in a story makes it a non-story? That's true and proves you wouldn't know real reporting if it bit you on the butt. Just because everyone is 'no-commenting' and avoiding answers....that usually translates directly into people praying you'll leave a story alone.

You are clueless and just praying this story goes away for some reason. What's your personal interest in this? Kid on the team? Personal ties with coaches? Or is your identity too wrapped up in Hoover Football?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Shylos Seven on 08/03/07 at 10:16am

amazing.....i made the point that indeed it does NOT take the actual perp speaking to have proof.

there is no question in my mind rp has done the things mentioned AND more!

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/03/07 at 12:59pm

Hey BucsFan.

What I did was talk about a situation on Finebaum first. That situation being that the athletic director had resigned. I talked to several sources about the AD's resignation. I called Browning but he did not respond. School board sources and CC sources told me that Browning was making accusations about Propst or the school system or the athletic dept, (they were very vague). Some of the allegations were printed in the Bham News the first day I was on Finebaum.

After the first day I was on Finebaum I started contacting people for more in depth info. Also, numerous people started sending me tips and info. BEFORE I WROTE ANYTHING I contacted family members of Stefnie, and I contacted an attorney who represented Stefnie's ex-husband in the divorce.

I also contacted a CC member who I knew had been told the truth about the situation.

And I called a board member who said he didn't care if Rock Star was doing a goat.

I firmly belive that, at this point, ALL CC and ALL BOE MEMBERS PLUS THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ROCK STAR AND HIS AFFAIRS (not affair...AFFAIRS) We'll just have to see what they do.

NNNYYYAAAAA! (That's a goat noise not a kid noise, no pun intended))

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/03/07 at 1:41pm

momminator wrote:

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/03/07 at 1:42pm

hunterSF wrote:

Somebody in Pell City will talk very soon I that have the feeling.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Shylos Seven on 08/03/07 at 1:47pm

my first with the bucs was at legion field opening game in 1990 berry vs parker, billy smith was QB for berry....and have seen a few games each year since.

also wtinessed the spain park vs hoover fight a few years ago and predicted before kickoff what was going to happen!

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Bucsfan on 08/03/07 at 1:54pm

Shylos Seven wrote:

That was a 1 punch fight Daddy Caudle hit the floor.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hoover123 on 08/03/07 at 1:57pm

Has anyone tried to contact people in Pell City who might know? What about ex-members of the family? I am sure they know the truth and surely they would talk? People who are no longer friends with Stephanie? You may have a hard time getting those to talk that are close to the family because they respect the family enough not to tell what they know.... Just an idea...

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 2:33pm

Bucsfan wrote:

[quote author=momminator link=1185889108/20#28 date=1186153870]Hmmm...bucsfan..do you have a degree in journalism? I doubt it.. I doubt you are any judge of bush-league reporting.

The point above about every 'no comment' in a story makes it a non-story? That's true and proves you wouldn't know real reporting if it bit you on the butt. Just because everyone is 'no-commenting' and avoiding answers....that usually translates directly into people praying you'll leave a story alone.

You are clueless and just praying this story goes away for some reason. What's your personal interest in this? Kid on the team? Personal ties with coaches? Or is your identity too wrapped up in Hoover Football?

I have vested interest in the team. I have also posted many times on this board with Propst moral problems this is the kind stuff you end up with. I wish a woman would come out and tell the whole story so it would be over, firing Propst or letting him stay. Saying I'm clueless about anything dealing with Bucs football is nuts I started going to games in the early 80's. I just hate seeing what has happened to the school system and the crap the players and students are hearing now. [/quote]

BucsFan, no one I know would disagree with your desire to see this over with and no one I know is pleased about what has happened. But who in the end is at fault? There is one person who could end this right now and could have ended it a long time ago, but I don't think that he has the fortitude or the constitution to do the right thing.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by ILuvHoova on 08/03/07 at 2:39pm

Yes, people from Pell City are going to talk very soon. People in Eufaula, too. Maybe even in Ashville.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hunterSF on 08/03/07 at 2:39pm

I have talked to numerous people who know SDP or used to be friends with her. Nobody wants to be ID'd. That is not uncommon. But at some point, I belive when you hear the same story from a variety of people, then it has to have a strong factual basis.

If everybody is singing out of the same hymnal and they are alll on the same Page singing the same song, there has to be something factual there even if they don't want their names used.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by imok on 08/03/07 at 2:47pm

Two peas in a pod - check this link out!
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/02/pete-rose-swears-at-little-kids/

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by momminator on 08/03/07 at 8:18pm

BucsFan, didn't mean to insinuate you were clueless about Buc Football...just reporting. :)

Also, a family member was close to S. several years ago so we have known for awhile and just marvelled to ourselves that he was pulling this off. I don't think this situation is going away anytime soon now that it has come this far out.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 8:22pm

hunterSF wrote:

Then use the variety of people as your source and lets get this over with.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by momminator on 08/03/07 at 8:32pm

Genius hooch..

Hunter just said they didn't want to be IDed. That means they prefer not to be the person quoted in the paper confirming this kind of sordid story. They don't want the heat that comes with that and they have ties to someone close or they wouldn't be able to confirm it to Hunter. So....obviously....that makes it wrongfor Hunter to use their names without permission.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/03/07 at 8:38pm

momminator wrote:

Are you afraid to give your name to Hunter? If you are, that's fine, I'm just curious as one who has known for years about this, as you stated a few posts back.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 8:47pm

momminator wrote:

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 8:49pm

superdolfan wrote:

[quote author=momminator link=1185889108/40#42 date=1186191129]Genius hooch..

Hunter just said they didn't want to be IDed. That means they prefer not to be the person quoted in the paper confirming this kind of sordid story. They don't want the heat that comes with that and they have ties to someone close or they wouldn't be able to confirm it to Hunter. So....obviously....that makes it wrongfor Hunter to use their names without permission.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 8:59pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=superdolfan link=1185889108/40#43 date=1186191481][quote author=momminator link=1185889108/40#42 date=1186191129]Genius hooch..

Hunter just said they didn't want to be IDed. That means they prefer not to be the person quoted in the paper confirming this kind of sordid story. They don't want the heat that comes with that and they have ties to someone close or they wouldn't be able to confirm it to Hunter. So....obviously....that makes it wrongfor Hunter to use their names without permission.

Are you afraid to give your name to Hunter? If you are, that's fine, I'm just curious as one who has known for years about this, as you stated a few posts back.[/quote]

I would not have come forward to speak on the condition of remaining anonymous. If I am going to say anything that was for the record and going into print or any media form, I would not be afraid to put my name on it unless it was false. [/quote]

I see your point, Hooch, but then I think that if the Feds worked that way then the Mafia (the real one, not the goofy Hoover one) would have never been broken. And I think that if know a truth and you really wanted people to know the truth, but the information would be either extremely embarassing to you or someone close to you - or even perhaps dangerous - for you to reveal without anonymity...well, I have no idea what you would do, but if it were me, I would protect myself and/or the loved one.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by forpeace on 08/03/07 at 9:01pm

Hoover:

I am just curious but if you have a problem with people being anonymous and saying things without their name on it; why are you posting and speaking anonymously rather than with your given name? :-?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 9:08pm

People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by forpeace on 08/03/07 at 9:31pm

Oh. But don't forget that if it is not true, and I have no idea if it is or not; that a school system can't be torn down and lives destroyed. If it is true, those in the wrong should have thought about the consequences before they did it. Each one of us as individuals are responsible for our own behaviour. No one else. So I will say again, to the powers that be: figure it out, dole out consequences if necessary and let's move forward! I can't imagine it would take this long to know if there has been wrongdoing or not. Get on with it!

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 9:34pm

HooverHooch wrote:

So when you insinuated someone on this forum got a ring because of a situation referring to Kobe Bryant, did you name your source and sign it?"

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by momminator on 08/03/07 at 9:38pm

Superdolfan, my knowledge comes directly through a loved one due to a work friendship. Neither the loved one or I wants to put our name out there because you have no way of knowing what comes with doing that and it's not our place. We've known for a long while (or think we know...we weren't witnesses to conception! :o ) My kids aren't in the hoover system and both of us have just figured it would come out or it wouldn't. It's not for us to get that involved in and we would never relish that kind of role. Too much hurt all around in the situation.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 9:40pm

Hooch, I believe that is known as talking out both sides of your mouth.

I'm still waiting on your source and you to proudly put your name on it.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 10:07pm

billybob555 wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#48 date=1186193331]People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

So when you insinuated someone on this forum got a ring because of a situation referring to Kobe Bryant, did you name your source and sign it?"
[/quote]

Yes, I believe I did.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 10:09pm

forpeace wrote:

Oh. But don't forget that if it is not true, and I have no idea if it is or not; that a school system can't be torn down and lives destroyed.

See Duke Lacrosse rape allegations. I can copy and paste if you can not find it.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 10:14pm

momminator wrote:

And I am not calling out you, or everybody who knows. I want to be clear on that. I am calling out the people that went to Hunter, or went to the media, and gave information on the condition of being anonymous. Nobody can check the source because it is protected by the journalist.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 10:19pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#50 date=1186194886][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#48 date=1186193331]People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/03/07 at 10:23pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=forpeace link=1185889108/40#49 date=1186194693]Oh. But don't forget that if it is not true, and I have no idea if it is or not; that a school system can't be torn down and lives destroyed.

See Duke Lacrosse rape allegations. I can copy and paste if you can not find it.
[/quote]

This and Duke are like apples and oranges.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 10:26pm

superdolfan wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#54 date=1186196942][quote author=forpeace link=1185889108/40#49 date=1186194693]Oh. But don't forget that if it is not true, and I have no idea if it is or not; that a school system can't be torn down and lives destroyed.

See Duke Lacrosse rape allegations. I can copy and paste if you can not find it.
[/quote]

This and Duke are like apples and oranges.

[/quote]

Thank you superdolfan, I was counting to fifty before I replied.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 10:30pm

A relationship between consenting adults is nothing like rape. I do understand that being falsely accused is a horrible thing. But that said, the boys at Duke stepped right up from the get go and said in public that they were innocent.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 10:42pm

HooverHooch wrote:

Did he have Rush's permission to use his name? So you can use Rush's name who I am fairly certain did not want to be IDed, but not the person who told you what you wrote? That sounds pretty convenient. Then, if the story turns out to be false, or erroneous in any way, shape, or form, you blame the unnamed source for being false. That is perfect. You can attempt to ruin the life and reputation of Propst with absolutely no repercussions to anybody, except your invisible information leak.

I should have been a journalist.
[/quote]

Do you have any idea what the hell would happen to me if I IDed myself on this forum? My life would take a plunge down into the Marinara Trench. You think Hunter is making this up for his own personal gain? I don't know this guy, but from the posts I've been reading he sounds like a pretty cool cat. You say you should have been a journalist...go on, just remember to print the truth.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by synergis1 on 08/03/07 at 11:53pm

So if I understand Hooch correctly, he believes that when a person says "no Comment" to a journalist, there is no story and the journalist should go away and forget it - nothing to report.

Too funny.

If that was the case, there would never be a newspaper article written - except those based on press releases - and tv news programs would be awfully boring since they could only give the weather and sports scores. Oh wait - FOOTBALL is the only thing that matters anyway.

There would never be a trial/hearing either since we should all just believe everyone that says "No comment" and "I didn't do it" and drop the matter.

WRONG!

Investigation can and will prove what happens - even if the guilty party screams NO COMMENT from the rooftop.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 7:13am

superdolfan wrote:

See Duke Lacrosse rape allegations. I can copy and paste if you can not find it.
[/quote]

This and Duke are like apples and oranges.

[/quote]
I was responding to the quote from forpeace that said if it is not true that a school system cant be torn down and lives detroyed. Not everything in life needs to compare to Hoover

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 7:17am

billybob555 wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#53 date=1186196825][quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#50 date=1186194886][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#48 date=1186193331]People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 7:23am

synergis1 wrote:

You do not read me correctly. That is not what I said. Scroll back and reread it. Or don't. It doesnt affect me either way.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 7:31am

Quote:

You think Hunter is making this up for his own personal gain? I don't know this guy, but from the posts I've been reading he sounds like a pretty cool cat. You say you should have been a journalist...go on, just remember to print the truth.

He did sell an awful lot of newspapers with the story but I never claimed he made it up. He just needs to name the sources that he used, or that came and sought him out and hold them accountable.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by aka_deplume on 08/04/07 at 7:50am

HooverHooch wrote:

Quote:

He did sell an awful lot of newspapers with the story but I never claimed he made it up. He just needs to name the sources that he used, or that came and sought him out and hold them accountable.

The same could be said for Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, who did not reveal William Mark Felt, Sr.'s , a/k/a Deep Throat, identity. Mr. Felt revealed himself on his own accord, as Woodward and Bernstein were going to wait until after Mr. Felt's death. (See Watergate, 1973)

The relationship that a reporter and his source have is paramount to good journalism. Just last week the House introduced a bill that would shield reporters from having to reveal their sources. This was introduced by the Democratic majority of the Judiciary Committee and opposed by the Republican minority, based on terrorism points. As a conservative, the Republican points were pretty lame if you ask me.

The assumption here is that everything is correct and true. You ask in other posts how this affects you. It doesn't affect you. You don't have a son in that age group. Yet. You will see that once he reaches that age group, as a responsible parent you will be very cautious as to what you expose him to. No football scholarship is worth selling out for. Morals and ethics come first. The rest works itself out.

There are parents here who are concerned what their children are exposed to. Allow them to be concerned. What is important and unimportant to you may not be the same for the other parents and vise versa.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/04/07 at 8:41am

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#56 date=1186197595][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#53 date=1186196825][quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#50 date=1186194886][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#48 date=1186193331]People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

So when you insinuated someone on this forum got a ring because of a situation referring to Kobe Bryant, did you name your source and sign it?"
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Yes, I believe I did.[/quote]

I never saw you post your source or your real name. So, tell us again.
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I have given enough hints as to who I am. If you are unable to piece it together, sorry.
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I don't really care who you are....hint or no hint. You missed the point of wanting to see if you would do what you are requesting others here to do.

You are more of the type person that goes by, do as I say not as I do. If you weren't you would name your source on LawMom's ring and why she got it and proudly sign your name.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 9:05am

billybob555 wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/60#63 date=1186229843][quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#56 date=1186197595][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#53 date=1186196825][quote author=billybob555 link=1185889108/40#50 date=1186194886][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/40#48 date=1186193331]People that need to know, know who I am. I also don't make a career out of reporting scandals and then not name the source of the information that is going to tear down a school system and however many lives.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by JBH on 08/04/07 at 9:13am

I think y'all are just having fun with the quote boxes, and don't want to quit...

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by hoover123 on 08/04/07 at 9:44am

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He did sell an awful lot of newspapers with the story but I never claimed he made it up. He just needs to name the sources that he used, or that came and sought him out and hold them accountable.

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Hunter did quote a source in his story. It was Stephanie's exhusband and his lawyer.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by billybob555 on 08/04/07 at 10:10am

billybob555 wrote:

Hooch, here is the reply that I made after I counted to fifty because of your assinine remark about this being like the Duke case.

I forget who said it, but you need to lay off the meds.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by JBH on 08/04/07 at 11:02am

The way I see it differently, the Duke case had one incident being investigated by many parties. The prosecution, the defense, and probably the papers. While it was terrible for the boys accused, they eventually were cleared.

Here in Hoover, and Eufala, and Ashville, there are multiple stories, but not much of anyone really saying they are looking in to anything. We have the BoE saying it really doesn't think it needs to be looked into. Maybe if there were underage goats....There are no answers coming out, one way or the other.

As was refernced earlier, there was a principal taken out of one of the elementary schools, never to be seen again in the school. It was too bad, because I think he was wonderful. But you do have to err on the side of what kids are exposed to.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 11:13am

JBH wrote:

Will it end at high school, or will the crusade expand to college when Nick Saban's personal and professional decisions come out in the paper from an unnamed source?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/04/07 at 11:19am

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=JBH link=1185889108/60#72 date=1186243324]The way I see it differently, the Duke case had one incident being investigated by many parties. The prosecution, the defense, and probably the papers. While it was terrible for the boys accused, they eventually were cleared.

Here in Hoover, and Eufala, and Ashville, there are multiple stories, but not much of anyone really saying they are looking in to anything. We have the BoE saying it really doesn't think it needs to be looked into. Maybe if there were underage goats....There are no answers coming out, one way or the other.

As was refernced earlier, there was a principal taken out of one of the elementary schools, never to be seen again in the school. It was too bad, because I think he was wonderful. But you do have to err on the side of what kids are exposed to.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by JBH on 08/04/07 at 11:20am

Somehow protecting 14 to 18 year old seems different than 18 and up. Thats part of the concept of minors. Parents still have to sign permission slips for field trips, sign kids tests for school, etc.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 11:28am

superdolfan wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/60#73 date=1186244007][quote author=JBH link=1185889108/60#72 date=1186243324]The way I see it differently, the Duke case had one incident being investigated by many parties. The prosecution, the defense, and probably the papers. While it was terrible for the boys accused, they eventually were cleared.

Here in Hoover, and Eufala, and Ashville, there are multiple stories, but not much of anyone really saying they are looking in to anything. We have the BoE saying it really doesn't think it needs to be looked into. Maybe if there were underage goats....There are no answers coming out, one way or the other.

As was refernced earlier, there was a principal taken out of one of the elementary schools, never to be seen again in the school. It was too bad, because I think he was wonderful. But you do have to err on the side of what kids are exposed to.

Will it end at high school, or will the crusade expand to college when Nick Saban's personal and professional decisions come out in the paper from an unnamed source?[/quote]

As you can plainly see, my user name is "superdolfan", which makes me a fan of the Miami Dolphins. Nick Saban is the former coach of the Miami Dolphins who clearly pointed his finger at reporters in December 2006 and said "I am not interested in the Alabama coaching job". As soon as the season was over with, he was the new head coach of the Univ. of Alabama. The man is a liar so there is no need to bring him into this conversation. It's irrelevant and has nothing to do with the conversation. If you have exhausted your points, then say so instead of grasping for straws.[/quote]

It has everything to do with the conversation. This year, people want Rush out because all of the kids are unable to think for themselves and will run off and hump anything that moves because they saw Coach Propst do it. OK, fine, Propst is out, new coach is in at Hoover High School, team goes 8-4, Little Johnny is now going off to Alabama on an academic scholarship and wants to play football. Nick Saban, noted liar, not to mention however many NCAA violations pending, is the coach and an obvious bad example for your child. What is your next step?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 11:31am

JBH wrote:

Somehow protecting 14 to 18 year old seems different than 18 and up. Thats part of the concept of minors. Parents still have to sign permission slips for field trips, sign kids tests for school, etc.

so, college is where you draw the line? Is it when they leave for college, visit colleges, or start looking at colleges in sophomore and junior year that you cut the cord?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 11:34am

superdolfan wrote:

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Lament on 08/04/07 at 11:46am

aka_deplume wrote:

[quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/60#65 date=1186230693]
Quote:

He did sell an awful lot of newspapers with the story but I never claimed he made it up. He just needs to name the sources that he used, or that came and sought him out and hold them accountable.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by JBH on 08/04/07 at 11:47am

What age is it that you think we should no longer be concerned with the people we pay, and put in front of our children as leaders?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/04/07 at 12:02pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=superdolfan link=1185889108/60#74 date=1186244389][quote author=HooverHooch link=1185889108/60#73 date=1186244007][quote author=JBH link=1185889108/60#72 date=1186243324]The way I see it differently, the Duke case had one incident being investigated by many parties. The prosecution, the defense, and probably the papers. While it was terrible for the boys accused, they eventually were cleared.

Here in Hoover, and Eufala, and Ashville, there are multiple stories, but not much of anyone really saying they are looking in to anything. We have the BoE saying it really doesn't think it needs to be looked into. Maybe if there were underage goats....There are no answers coming out, one way or the other.

As was refernced earlier, there was a principal taken out of one of the elementary schools, never to be seen again in the school. It was too bad, because I think he was wonderful. But you do have to err on the side of what kids are exposed to.

Will it end at high school, or will the crusade expand to college when Nick Saban's personal and professional decisions come out in the paper from an unnamed source?[/quote]

As you can plainly see, my user name is "superdolfan", which makes me a fan of the Miami Dolphins. Nick Saban is the former coach of the Miami Dolphins who clearly pointed his finger at reporters in December 2006 and said "I am not interested in the Alabama coaching job". As soon as the season was over with, he was the new head coach of the Univ. of Alabama. The man is a liar so there is no need to bring him into this conversation. It's irrelevant and has nothing to do with the conversation. If you have exhausted your points, then say so instead of grasping for straws.[/quote]

I didn't make the connection between your screen name, and Nick Saban being with the Dolphins because I honestly forgot that the Phins were an NFL team.

You let your kids pull for a team with a repeated drug offender like Ricky Williams? He seems like a pretty bad example. Wouldnt want my kids watching that. They may see a high profile person like him openly talk about using drugs and think its ok.
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Very nice, HH. Yes, my kids pull for the Dolphins and yes, it was explained to them that Ricky was suspended for using drugs, which is what happens to adults who make bad decisions - they face the consequences for their actions. One big circle, isn't it? Bad actions = consequences. But I can see that you're pulling out your points from dark places, having run out of legitimate ones. That's OK, I still like you, even if you do take a personal shot at me via my team. I was not aware that this was a personal debate. I'm not going there. I'm trying to stay on topic.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by croggen on 08/04/07 at 12:06pm

As a parent of 2 high school teenagers and 2 adult children, you never stop trying to protect them, but with that being said. When they turn 18 you can no longer control them, or who they they look up to or have as friends. When they are under 18 and when your money is being paid to someone that has influence over them yes you do have the right to speak up and do something about it.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by Lament on 08/04/07 at 12:08pm

croggen wrote:

Nicely said.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 12:11pm

JBH wrote:

What age is it that you think we should no longer be concerned with the people we pay, and put in front of our children as leaders?

To me, there is no age which is why I was asking if Propst must go, why is Saban, a known liar and however many NCAA infractions, revered when coaching our same kids one year later?

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by HooverHooch on 08/04/07 at 12:16pm

croggen wrote:

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by superdolfan on 08/04/07 at 12:19pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=JBH link=1185889108/80#80 date=1186246040]What age is it that you think we should no longer be concerned with the people we pay, and put in front of our children as leaders?

To me, there is no age which is why I was asking if Propst must go, why is Saban, a known liar and however many NCAA infractions, revered when coaching our same kids one year later?[/quote]

Excellent question - the answer is the same as those who defend this situation: blind faith. That jersey sometimes carries more weight than morals do. But your question is an outstanding example.

Title: Re: Hunter Ford
Post by croggen on 08/04/07 at 12:23pm

HooverHooch wrote:

[quote author=croggen link=1185889108/80#82 date=1186247179]As a parent of 2 high school teenagers and 2 adult children, you never stop trying to protect them, but with that being said. When they turn 18 you can no longer control them, or who they they look up to or have as friends. When they are under 18 and when your money is being paid to someone that has influence over them yes you do have the right to speak up and do something about it.

But do you control what colleges they look at when they are 16 and 17 and eventually apply to?. Do you say the same things about the college coaches that is being said about the high school coach and rule out 90 colleges because of faculty with questionable private lives. From what I recall, college cost more than high school, so a lot more of your money is being paid to someone for that college influence. I can safely say that I was more influenced by what I experienced at college than I was from anything at high school. [/quote]
As I said before, you can no longer control them when they turn 18, but you will always try to protect them. Yes you do have control over which colleges they appy to if they are under 18 but not after. Unlike other parents we are not paying for our children's colleges, they have to earn it, by grades. Or pay for it themselves. We feel that way they will take it more seriously and not feel they are entitled.