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Title: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by superdolfan on 07/31/07 at 6:43am I believe that my son's teacher is a pedophile. This bothers me greatly since I do not know if my son is in danger at school. I know you don't find this to be of concern, as you stated that a teacher's personal life is not your concern or job: "If you start diving into everybody's personal life there is not enough hours in the day to be able to do this," Frazier said. "That's not what our job is as school board members." To refresh your memory, you said this in an article in the Birmingham News: http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1185869711229820.xml&coll=2 Mr. Bold echoed your sentiments: "That's just not our business to get involved in their personal lives, except when it affects their job performances," Bolt said. Of course he covered his rear end by adding the "affects their job performances". That's not being proactive, that's being reactive and when it comes to kids, that's not right. Could you tell me who I could talk to to address my concerns? Thanks, Epstein's Mother =============================================================================== The above is obviously fiction. But it addresses the point head on. According to Mrs. Frazier and Mr. Bolt, the teacher's personal lives are none of their, and our, concern. If in fact there was a pedophile teaching our kids, well, that would be OK because it is their personal life. The line has been drawn in the sand, folks. Unless the Hoover Board of Education becomes proactive about our children's welfare, which by those statements they are not, it's time to clean house. We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there. Council, consider yourselves on notice. Unless you get involved and whisper to these people to get off their butts, you won't have those cushy chairs to sit in next year. The people will see to that. Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing. NOW! |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by tentedmed on 07/31/07 at 7:18am There was a post that spoke about the number of gays and lesbians in our schools too and that should be of grave concern too since there are so many of them teaching our kids in the classroom. I wonder how many teachers would lose their jobs if we knew everything about their personal lives? To me having a pedophile or gay or lesbian teaching our kids is a issue and we should clean house of all despicable faculty because I know I would not want my son or daughter interacting with any of them in a classroom on a daily schedule. Yes a student can drop a sport if they have a concern about a certain teacher or coach but they can't drop classes if they have that same concern then their only choice would be to leave for another school or drop out and that may not be a option for the family if they can not afford to move or pay for private schools. So let us get rid of all the trash in our schools because there are a lot of homosexuals interacting with the students every day and that is sick for our kids to be exposed to seeing someone that lives that disgusting behavior and lifestyle among them in the classroom. We are unable to clean out the Board of Education, but we are able to clean out the people that put them there. Council, consider yourselves on notice. The line has been drawn in the sand, folks. The people will see to that. All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once. After all the gays and lesbians are fired we are going to need a lot of applicants to fill jobs in Hoover schools since while I think about this there will be teachers fired in almost each subject in every grade in all our schools. I wonder also how many applicants we will have to turn down too due to their personal choice of lifestyle of being homosexual? Maybe we can have it printed on the application that if you are a homosexual you can not apply. That should help the process go quicker. Council, now that you've read this, pick up the phones and do what you know is the right thing. NOW! |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by LawMom on 07/31/07 at 8:27am tentedmed wrote:
This is ridiculous. I would rather have a box that said "are you too stupid to live" so that people like this can check it. RP FLAUNTED his lifestyle. The players knew it, the faculty knew it, the board knew it. If there was a teacher FLAUNTING IMMORAL behavior, they would be dismissed. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by superdolfan on 07/31/07 at 8:41am tentedmed wrote:
A wise man once said "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" . Thanks for removing all doubt about you, tent. Thanks. And don't worry. You'll slip. The fools always do. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by Walktall on 07/31/07 at 8:46am Congrats Tent, you just won the "dumbest post of the day" award. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 11:14am Dear Mrs. Frazier: As School Board president, it is your job to protect the best interests of the children and the larger community you serve. The course it appears the school board has chosen to follow, to turn a blind eye to the facts and continue to employ Rush Propst, is harmful to both the children and the larger Hoover community. Rush Propst has used our school system and the young men of this community to serve his only purpose of self-promotion and self-gratification. The leaders of this community have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the glory that Rush Propst has brought and placed at their feet. They have prostituted their sons and their wives to attain the glory of which they so desperately wish to be a part. We citizens of Hoover that have not fallen blindly into Propst's lunacy have grown weary of having our schools and our community dragged through the mud and reviled by every other school system in the state and beyond. This school board is the only voice that has the power to do the right thing for the best interests of all of the children of our community. Please do not let those children down. We respectfully request that you terminate Rush Propst's employment immediately on grounds that he has caused irreparable damage to both the reputation and the organizational culture of Hoover City Schools. Removing Rush Propst from Hoover City Schools is but the first step in getting back on task in placing the best interests of the children and their families first on the priority list for Hoover City Schools. His termination is crucial to the success of Hoover City Schools. Thank you for your consideration. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by LawMom on 07/31/07 at 1:11pm I hope that the next person that gets let go by the school system for something done in their personal life SUES THE CRAP OUT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD. DUI, etc. If they can't touch RP, and can't INVESTIGATE anyone's personal life (cause that is not why they are there)....then no one should ever be let go and the Code Of Ethics is not worth the paper it is printed on. It's going to go down the tube like the wrestler lawsuit. Hoover will have to settle because they know that they are wrong. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by BucU on 07/31/07 at 6:14pm "All gay and lesbian homosexuals teaching in our schools must go at once." Amazing. Your homophobic slip is showing. Replace the words "gay" and "lesbian" with "Jew" and "African-American" or any other label and the vile nature of your comments would be obvious. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by fightingirish on 07/31/07 at 7:45pm I seriously commed all reponses to tent. My sister is gay, and it bothers me greatly to think anyone would ever say anything like that to her. She's a beautiful person. Fortunately she works in an environment where she need not worry about job security due to any "Christian" lynch mobs... I'm also seriously proud of all concerned citizens of Hoover that are participating in this forum, no matter what your opinion... a lot of this information on the BOE and RP has been known for years (specifically RP) but there was a fear (I suppose) to say and express it. I still believe that Dr. Williams was fired due to her lack of support for RP... this was in fact, the philosophical disagreement, it HAD to be. She is laughing her head off somewhere at the people who made sure to get rid of her, but her heart must be heavy for the teachers and students she always seemed to support. I'm glad one of my kids was able to have her as the leader of this school system. Hopefully we'll find a leader like her in Andy Craig, although I question this due to the fact he isn't even an education major. Business/Law degrees tend to make the rules of education now - see the NCLB committee and how many educators served on it. I digress... thanks again to all who truly support this great school system. We're just in a bad place right now, every BOE, system, must go through hard times... right? :-? |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by synergis1 on 07/31/07 at 9:40pm Discrimination against a person based on sexual orientation is illegal. Just like discrimination based on race, gender, national origin or religion. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by finalexaminer on 07/31/07 at 10:18pm There are other latent bigots on this forum as well. If you look closely, you will see some code words. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:47am Care to point them out? |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by finalexaminer on 08/01/07 at 2:24pm There's just one in particular - synergis1. If you look closely at two of her posts regarding Mr. Nalls, you can easily break the code. 1) "He's too big for his britches" translation "that boy doesn't know his place" 2) That translation was validated when she said "And when will Nalls realize that he is just the "token" minority administrator for the system?" Furthermore, she never responded when I called her on it. Sorry synergis1 I have to call it like I see it. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 3:03pm Thanks, FE, I don't recall the posts, but I do see your point. Definite code words those... |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by LawMom on 08/01/07 at 3:17pm finalexaminer wrote:
I think you are totally wrong on that point....Sorry. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 3:23pm They're poor choices of words, at the least. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by synergis1 on 08/01/07 at 10:15pm Finally I am at home so I can defend myself. The phrase "too big for his britches" was first used by someone else to describe Jan Dennis. In my opinion, it also described Martin Nalls. So my using it to describe him was a racial remark? Was it racial when used regarding Dennis? Be careful here, as you cannot have it both ways. In using the term "token", I take that very word from an encounter I had with Hoover's former superintendent. I was having dinner with a friend (who just happens to be African American, 7'2" tall, a former NBA player, a 20 year veteran of Army Special Forces and has a second doctorate in religious studies) who was coached in high school basketball by the former supt. My friend and I were celebrating his completion of his doctoral program in educational leadership. When my friend spoke to the former supt. and mentioned the reason we were celebrating, he casually said something like, "Now you can make me a principal in the Hoover system." (Note these are not exact words for his comment, but you get the gist.) The former supt. responded to him by saying (exactly): "We already have our token." I found it offensive myself at the time as I am extremely sensitive to racial comments. I work in a situation where I am the minority racially and I cannot stand for people to play the race card. If you found my comments offensive, I apologize. I hope this has further cleared the air. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:38pm They're definitely a poor choice of words and that's all. While the remark when made in the context of a woman is not racist, the intent is the same. Sexist and racist terms are generally interchangeable. And the use of the word "token" when used in reference to a minority, particularly a black person, is inherently racist (and again sexist too). Of course, if you're black or female then it's OK...but only if you are female referring to another female. Or black referring to...oh, never mind. No offense intended? Then none is taken. Peace be with you. Apology accepted. (By me at least) |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by finalexaminer on 08/02/07 at 4:54am I agree DS. Synergis1, a superintendent can make a racially insensitive statements as well, so that does not justify repeating the statement our of context in the public forum. Does that make it right? Does justify repeating that statement in a public forum? As a casual observer reading your two statements, they appear to be at least a very poor choice of words. May I ask, was the former superintendent Jack Farr or Connie Williams? One of our former superintendents coached basketball? |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by finalexaminer on 08/02/07 at 5:22am By the way, you said that you were offended by that statement at the time, so why would you repeat it? |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by synergis1 on 08/02/07 at 7:07am If you will note, when I used the word, I put it in quotes. I was quoting the former supt. that many people here hold in high esteem. Personally, I find Martin Nalls to be a pompous, insensitive jerk who uses his power to show off. He called me one day while I had someone in my office and my phone was only working in speakerphone mode. He proceeded to tell me what he wanted me to know, without ever asking if it was a good time to call, even when I tried to interupt him to ask if I could call him back. The person in my office happened to be another school administrator. When Nalls and I finished our conversation, my guest asked me if that was the Martin Nalls from Hoover High. I told him yes. He said, "I have never in my life heard anyone be that rude to a parent over the phone. That was very unprofessional." My guest then told me that he is related to Nalls by marriage, but didn't know him well. He added that he was not sure, after hearing the way he treated me, that he wanted to know him and he certainly did not want his children exposed to him or his "nasty attitude". You may call it a "poor choice of words". I say it is "calling it like I see it". I am never one to sugarcoat my opinions. Guess we should agree to disagree. When it comes down to it, you really don't know me. If you did, you would know that I am one of the least "racist" people you could ever meet. As I said before, I work in a situation where I am the minority. I am very sensitive to racial remarks. But then again, with most of my friends, we are way past the race issue and just talk like friends talk about whatever suits us. I guess I forgot that many of you here are not "friends" but vicious "haters" (to quote some of the other posters) out to pillage, harm and destroy anyone that dares to disagree with you. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 9:09am finalexaminer wrote:
They weren't saying that it was their opinion, just the opinion of the higher-ups. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 10:34am Why does that "hate" word come up so often? Just because someone has a difference of opinion doesn't make them haters - or viscious. One problem in our country today is this "you're either with me or against me" mentality. I would blame the current administration, but since they lack any originality, I have to conclude that they are simply using the current zeitgeist to their advantage. It may be best to just drop this thread as it's bound to just get nastier and is irrelevant to the issues we face in Hoover. synergis, if I came off sounding like I was accusing you of racism, I apologize. If there is anyone in this forum who now truly thinks that synergis is a racist, then they are an idiot. Peace. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 10:44am DriveSouth wrote:
I agree. Let's focus on the important issues at hand. The mis-management of the BOE. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by finalexaminer on 08/02/07 at 8:03pm DS, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish everyone else on this from would be as open-minded and considerate as you. Some people seem to get pleasure from tearing people down when mistakes are made, but they become very defensive when the shoe is on the other foot. If you leave in a glass house... A periodic honest self-assessment is appropriate, since we all make mistakes occasionally. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 10:30pm finalexaminer wrote:
I am as guilty as anyone to some extent. I am not always as open-minded and considerate as I should be. I deeply appreciate the compliment, FE, thank you. Time to hit the rack, Folks! G'Night. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 11:37am tentedmed wrote:
You have a problem with gays or lesbians teaching me? Do you!? Why is that a problem? People have the right to their own personal lifestyle. I agree that the school needs to know some things about those who they hire, but their sexual preferences should not bar them from a job; a job that we need nevertheless. If someone is being sexually harassed, that is a different story. Many kids are just freaked out because they don't know enough about homosexual people. All their life they heard people calling each other 'gay' and 'f*g**t,' they don't know any better but to feel a little afraid of them. I know a few gay guys, they're actually pretty fun to hand out with. Unfortunately, I can not truly give an accurate opinion about this topic; I have never had a gay or lesbian teacher. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by aka_deplume on 08/03/07 at 11:47am Lament wrote:
You have a problem with gays or lesbians teaching me? Do you!? Why is that a problem? People have the right to their own personal lifestyle. I agree that the school needs to know some things about those who they hire, but their sexual preferences should not bar them from a job; a job that we need nevertheless. If someone is being sexually harassed, that is a different story. Many kids are just freaked out because they don't know enough about homosexual people. All their life they heard people calling each other 'gay' and 'f*g**t,' they don't know any better but to feel a little afraid of them. I know a few gay guys, they're actually pretty fun to hand out with. Unfortunately, I can not truly give an accurate opinion about this topic; I have never had a gay or lesbian teacher.[/quote] Freudian slips are so cool, aren't they? And regarding not having any gay or lesbian teachers...yes you have...you just didn't know it. They don't "glow in the dark" you know. They are very much like you and me. And the fact that you didn't know it proves my point. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 7:10pm aka_deplume wrote:
You have a problem with gays or lesbians teaching me? Do you!? Why is that a problem? People have the right to their own personal lifestyle. I agree that the school needs to know some things about those who they hire, but their sexual preferences should not bar them from a job; a job that we need nevertheless. If someone is being sexually harassed, that is a different story. Many kids are just freaked out because they don't know enough about homosexual people. All their life they heard people calling each other 'gay' and 'f*g**t,' they don't know any better but to feel a little afraid of them. I know a few gay guys, they're actually pretty fun to hand out with. Unfortunately, I can not truly give an accurate opinion about this topic; I have never had a gay or lesbian teacher.[/quote] Freudian slips are so cool, aren't they? And regarding not having any gay or lesbian teachers...yes you have...you just didn't know it. They don't "glow in the dark" you know. They are very much like you and me. And the fact that you didn't know it proves my point. [/quote] Sorry mate, 'd' is quite close to 'g' on the keyboard. God forbid I mis-type once in a while. The fact that I have not ever had a problem with any of my teachers sexually harassing me (the only problem I've had is that I've had bad teachers and I can't express my beliefs) proves my point. You kind of unknowingly backed me up lol. I really don't see what the problem with gays and lesbians is. Mind enlightening me so I can see from your point of view? For the record, I'm strait. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by aka_deplume on 08/03/07 at 8:19pm Lament wrote:
You have a problem with gays or lesbians teaching me? Do you!? Why is that a problem? People have the right to their own personal lifestyle. I agree that the school needs to know some things about those who they hire, but their sexual preferences should not bar them from a job; a job that we need nevertheless. If someone is being sexually harassed, that is a different story. Many kids are just freaked out because they don't know enough about homosexual people. All their life they heard people calling each other 'gay' and 'f*g**t,' they don't know any better but to feel a little afraid of them. I know a few gay guys, they're actually pretty fun to hand out with. Unfortunately, I can not truly give an accurate opinion about this topic; I have never had a gay or lesbian teacher.[/quote] Freudian slips are so cool, aren't they? And regarding not having any gay or lesbian teachers...yes you have...you just didn't know it. They don't "glow in the dark" you know. They are very much like you and me. And the fact that you didn't know it proves my point. [/quote] Sorry mate, 'd' is quite close to 'g' on the keyboard. God forbid I mis-type once in a while. The fact that I have not ever had a problem with any of my teachers sexually harassing me (the only problem I've had is that I've had bad teachers and I can't express my beliefs) proves my point. You kind of unknowingly backed me up lol. I really don't see what the problem with gays and lesbians is. Mind enlightening me so I can see from your point of view? For the record, I'm strait.[/quote] Yes I am backing you up because you're seeing the world as it should be seen, without prejudice. But many people in your age group (which by the way, I'm highly suspect of, but that's another topic) don't share your non-bias. As far as the Freudian slip comment, you will have to get used to having a) a sense of humor around here every once in a while and b) taking a friendly jab from the people here. The key word is "friendly" not "hateful". If we are going to have a good dialogue, we must have a sense of humor about what is happening, regardless of how bleak it may look at times. And what you will find about me is that I have an incredibly dry sense of humor. The mistyped word was a perfect setup for my comment and it was not meant in a personal way. |
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Title: Re: Dear Mrs. Frazier: Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 10:20pm lol there's different humor on different forums ;). Still getting used to this one! The mis-type was kinda bad lol. |
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