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Title: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 07/30/07 at 10:34am ...as USA Today picks the story up: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/2007-07-29-hoover-investigation_N.htm |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 07/30/07 at 10:41am See, if my name was spread all over the national news and these allegations WERE NOT TRUE, I would be screaming from the highest mountain. Did any of us think that this wouldn't happen? We were ranked #1 last year. You can bet YOUR LAST DOLLAR it's going to be in Sports Illustrated next. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 07/30/07 at 10:51am Could somebody please pick up the phone and ask the BoE if they are satisfied yet? Or do they want it to go further? If Sports Illustrated picks it up (and I don't see why they wouldn't), then Time-Warner is in it and we all know their media conglomerate... How embarrassing!! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 07/30/07 at 11:29am It IS an embarrassment. More so that the BOE knew and tried to hide it. It is never a good thing to sweep things under the rug. Someone is eventually gonna have to clean it. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Carmen Sandiego on 07/30/07 at 11:31am LawMom wrote:
They answer to no one, that is the problem. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Shylos Seven on 07/30/07 at 11:36am as to the number one national ranking...it was and is 100% fiction, there is no way to rank high school teams on a national level they dont play each other across the nation so there is no basis for legitmate comparison. when the emphasis started on this foolishness i saw it as a turning point from being a great program serving the community to a quest for fame for probst(it confirmed my suspicions about him as using hoover for personal reasons). any person that cheats in their most fundamental relationship cant be trusted on any level. and people that spend time thinking about national rankings on the high school level have NO CONCEPT of what goals they should be striving towards! the purpose of sports is twofold in my opinion the build character through teamwork, self sacrafice, and hard work, and to teach youths the value of EXERCISE. of course winning is part of the process and should be strvied for, BUT at what price? the chickens are coming home to roost in hoover, yes you won many state championships but again at what price? the future of your children? having your children look up to a person UNworthy of one ounce of respect? the corruption of the whole system? losing great teachers that are honest? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 11:56am Shylos Seven wrote:
You are aware, of course, that there is NO price too high to pay for winning, right? Just check out the comments in the paper (and elsewhere) from the various boosters. I submit that RP could murder someone and there would still be a segment out there who would say, "so what?". |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by JBH on 07/30/07 at 12:31pm As long as it didn't happen at school, what business is it of ours, right? :-? I can hear it now...It won't delay kick-off, right? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by GGto6 on 07/30/07 at 4:02pm I wonder if Mr. Veitch still believes that no one has done anything wrong? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by truthseeker on 07/30/07 at 4:08pm It's not that far from the Atlanta Airport to Pell City, Alabama. Just go west on Camp Creek Parkway from the Airport to 285, go north to I-20 and go due west. Won't be long before various members of the national media start snooping around town for the info, interviews, and names that the rest of the country doesn't yet know about. Greta, Nancy Grace, Geraldo, etc. What happens in St. Clair County, Alabama won't be staying in St. Clair County forever. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 07/30/07 at 4:10pm You know what they say. Any publicity is good publicity. ;D |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 4:19pm HooverHooch wrote:
That only applies to movie stars... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 07/30/07 at 4:23pm DriveSouth wrote:
That only applies to movie stars...[/quote] And he's just a Rock Star. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 07/30/07 at 6:11pm DriveSouth wrote:
That only applies to movie stars...[/quote] Two A Day's, The Movie??? Can't be two far behind. There has been enough drama for a movie and two sequels so far this summer. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 07/30/07 at 6:15pm Shylos Seven wrote:
You hit the nail on the head. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ManofSteel on 07/30/07 at 9:15pm Shylos,Drive South,ilovehoova,hooverhooch,lawmon, you guy's sure are all on the same page. WE ALL HATE RUSH PROPST AND WERE' GOING TO BURN DOWN HOOVER HIGH SCHOOL AS LONG AS RUSH IS INSIDE. All of you are whipping each other into a FRENZY. Can we not wait on the current investigation to bare out the facts ? I can live with whatever the FACTS are. You guys should chill. MonofSteel P.S. " it takes two to tango" |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Carmen Sandiego on 07/30/07 at 9:35pm ManofSteel wrote:
What investigation? The investigation doesn't start until the attorney general steps in. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 07/30/07 at 9:43pm ManofSteel wrote:
MOS I am not part of the lynch mob. I am indifferent and only here for the entertainment factor. I have never gotten in line with the Fire Rush bandwagon. While I know what he has done, it does not affect me. As long as he keeps it in his pants while I am in the room, I do not have a problem with the man. HH |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ManofSteel on 07/30/07 at 9:58pm Sorry HH, I think I wrote hooverhooch and ment JBH. I am a fan and booster of Buccaneer Football. Rush might be the best high school football coach in America when it comes to X's and O's and motivation. I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line. Not who's sleeping with who, or what he knew and when he knew it. MOS |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 07/30/07 at 10:01pm That's what's wrong with high school football. Thank you for putting it so succinctly, MoS and LawMom. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ManofSteel on 07/30/07 at 10:10pm do u care to elaborate? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 10:26pm ManofSteel wrote:
MoS, who is to blame for all this? Rush. He's the one who slept with God knows who, had at least three illegitimate children while married to another woman - the mother of his three LEGITIMATE children. I would rather be talking about something else too. Rush may well be the best high school football coach in America. But he is not an honorable man and has no business being a high school coach anywhere regardless of his arguable skills. And this is no frenzy, or witch hunt. This is the growing rage of a group of decent people who are sick and tired of seeing their beloved city and school dragged through the mud. This is the townfolk gathering with fire and pitchforks to storm the castle and destroy the monster. You want to get back to football? Then we must remove the cause of our collective misery. His departure is inevitable. It's only a matter of time... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Shylos Seven on 07/30/07 at 10:32pm rp may not be in the top 5 coaches in this area.... curtis coleman, buddy anderson, fred yancy, bob newton, and jack woods ALL are as good or batter as coaches. i know 2 of them are retired, joey jones also should be in that group. reality check folks, IF rp was that good some college would have had him years ago, those above CHOSE to stay at the high school level, rp cant get a college job! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 10:36pm Excellent point, Shylos, but the colleges are also highly adept at background investigations for PR reasons and so forth. Could it be that colleges were indeed interested, but dug up the info on the "other family" and went in another direction? And did anyone see him on Fox6 tonight? Did anybody else hear Carly quote him as saying that, HIS faith would see the people of Hoover through this? HIS faith???? Would save US???? What a pompous a** he is. To me he looked like a man who saw his destiny... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 10:38pm DriveSouth wrote:
...and it was dark and cold and lonely. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Bucsfan on 07/30/07 at 10:39pm All those schools you listed except Yancy at Briarwood have losing records to Propst. Bottomine no matter what he is still the best Coach X's and O's wise in the state maybe the nation. Jack Woods got his a&& whipped by Propst in 2001 they held a Brandon Cox offense to -88 yards rushing and Hoover had 424 yards at halftime. Hoover scored 52 but could have scored 90 if they wanted too. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/30/07 at 10:42pm So what? It's not like he brought peace to the Middle East or cured cancer. He's MERELY a freakin' football coach. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 07/30/07 at 10:56pm Bucsfan wrote:
Question for you, Bucsfan, since you seem to know a little about football: How many of those victories were because of the coach, how many because of the system and how many because of the players? In other words, take any of the three variables out (coach, system, players) would the outcome still have been the same? As you probably know, Bill Walsh, former coach of the 49ers died today. He drafted Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, arguably the best QB and wide receiver to ever play the game. Would either of them have been as good had they not had Walsh as a head coach or played in the West Coast Offense? I think it's fair to say that Rush is a good coach. He has not proven otherwise. But would his departure, tomorrow or in five years, spell the end of Hoover football? An honest answer would be appreciated. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by hoover123 on 07/30/07 at 10:57pm RP can bring God into it all he wants but we can see through that... He was right about we do have a forgiving GOD, but you can't do the same sin over and over again and then when the heat is on you ask for forgiveness. Who am I to judge, but he has been in a realtionship with Stephanie for 14 years, while married to his legal wife. Has had 3 children with Stephanie, unmarried, etc.. He thinks he is untouchable and this is the problem. Not sure why noone in Pell City wants to talk and tell what they know. From what I have heard, part of the problem is this has been known for so many years and noone in the media has listened before so why would they listen now? Plus, they are putting themselves on the line for the Hoover Mofia. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Shylos Seven on 07/30/07 at 11:52pm hoover has better athletes than the other schools by a wide margin lately in sheer numbers i mean, i saw hoover play 5A parker a few years ago under probst and parker outplayed them badly in the first half, but the players wore down and a couple of the stars got injured. one coach has 200 players out for the team and parker has maybe 50. pelham used to suit up well over 100 for home games. mt. brook had no business whatsoever of being close to hoover talentwise. the only school close was vestavia another coach i left out Vakakes mispelled i am sure. ALL of the coaches i have named would have won those titles had they been at hoover in the last several years, the players won those games not probst...the community helped recruit and success breeds success. another coach that would have won those and MORE may God rest his soul....Bob Finley, with one difference he would have won with CLASS and accepted nor desired any credit. another point, NONE of those coaches named above would have allowed their team to gather at midfield before the game at spain park and paw at their mascot like a herd of buffalo right before the game, and then proceed to be penalized repeatedly for late hits the whole game(spain park also participated it takes, 2 to tango and spain park played just as dirty once the game got going). |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 07/31/07 at 8:03am ILuvHoova wrote:
??? what did I say? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 07/31/07 at 8:06am Shylos Seven wrote:
College programs are VERY careful who they recruit for coaches. If all this stuff had come out about an Alabama or Auburn coach, they would be toast. No one has OFFERED RP anything! I personally think that anyone interested in him asked around and found out what we all know about his personal life and wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole. Get a grip people, he is not THAT good. After he is finished here...he would be lucky to teach PE in an elementary school with his wife. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ManofSteel on 07/31/07 at 8:43am Shylos, your responce is insolent and tainted, thus constitutes no retort. MOS |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Shylos Seven on 07/31/07 at 9:07am mos how about rebutting points i made rather than just a gutless comment? tainted how please? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 9:12am LawMom, my SINCERE apologies. I was reading too fast and INCORRECTLY used your name. Please accept my apology. I meant HooverHooch: "As long as he keeps it in his pants while I am in the room, I do not have a problem with the man." And MoS: "I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line." I'll address HH first. You should have a problem with the man (and I use that term loosely) because he is around children all day long, 7 days a week. Allegations are now surfacing out of two previous high schools that make me wonder if RP should be allowed around anyone, child or adult. The problem IS that he can't keep it in his pants. He has NO BUSINESS coaching young men in ANY subject, athletics included. We cannot simply make excuses for him, "he's a great coach", etc., because his standards (or lack of standards) will invade the children and families he associates with. AND, and this is the big one, HE IS A COMMUNITY LEADER IN HOOVER, ALABAMA. We are the laughingstock of the state, quite possibly soon the entire nation. Are you really okay with RP being the image of Hoover? RP and Hoover High School are forever intertwined. People across the ENTIRE COUNTRY OF AMERICA know who RP is---and I dare say that most think he's an a$$. Our teachers are embarassed to be associated with RP when they attend national conferences. Teachers and administrators constantly take the heat because he's a foul-mouthed, now-revealed-to-be-an-adulterer, jerk who cares more about the game of football than his wedding vow (the infamous MTV scene where he pointed to his wedding ring and said something as stupid as I've ever heard). What sets RP apart from other teachers and administrators in the system is that he is a NATIONAL FIGURE! He wanted it that way, and now he's got it! The spotlight is shining a bit too hot for him now, but when you become a national figure, you don't get to pick and choose what your media buddies print and show about you anymore. HH, what if he kept it in his pants while you were in the room, but whipped it out with a student? How would you feel then? Oh, if the student was 18, you could hide behind the "two consensual adults" crap, I'm sure. RP is uncontrollable. By anyone. He is far too dangerous to keep around anymore. He needs to go. Now. MoS: "I just tired of the gossip and rumor. I want the headlines to be about the quarterback duel of the size of the O-line." It's no longer gossip and rumor. You will keep repeating that because you can't believe that your hero could be such a loser. I'm sorry, MoS. But it's true. Football isn't all that matters. As soon as 97% of those boys graduate, they never touch a football field again except on Saturdays and Sundays when they meet up with their high school buddies to relive the Glory Days. There is something worth more than Football. It's called Life. Life is full of many many events and happenings and relationships and other worthwhile pursuits. Football is but one piece for some, not a piece at all for others. But because of the sheer brute force of the game and those that play, the Football People are more likely to grow into a powerful force. That doesn't make it right. Most people that I know that played the game grow on up and move forward. Football has its place in their memory, but it doesn't take over their entire lives the way it appears to for the powerful group in Hoover. Many benefitted from Hoover Reign on Top. The City Council and the developers mostly. The national fame and glory that RP took the team to made Hoover a household name. Who's to say that the President didn't first hear of Hoover through MTV or ESPN and then decided to make a couple of visits here, which brought more fame to the city. The people who stand to benefit most from pimping the young men of this community to the national football gods are those who stand to gain monetarily. Who might that be? Think about it. Business owners and developers. Hotels. Anyone with their business' name connected to Hoover football. A lot of people rode on RP's coattails to get their 15 minutes and their pockets lined. The people that allow RP to use their sons to maintain and further gain national exposure are guilty of pimping their young sons for RP. There are parents who refuse to let their sons even stand on the same field as RP, even though their sons might wish to play football, because of RP's character. That has degraded our "community" football program. The more "recruits" RP brings in, the more diluted the "community" program becomes. Why should the kids who have been busting their behinds at football practice since they were in the 2nd grade get sat on the bench because of RP's recruits? How do you think that boy feels? Betrayed? Tricked? Why is that okay to take a boy from our community and push him aside in RP's quest for that National Championship? RP has left so many victims in his wake, it's hard to keep count. That's what's wrong with him and what's wrong with high school football. All perspective has been lost in pursuit of glory. That's why RP needs to go. Now. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by bucs568 on 07/31/07 at 9:24am Our teachers are embarassed to be associated with RP when they attend national conferences. Teachers and administrators constantly take the heat because he's a foul-mouthed, now-revealed-to-be-an-adulterer, jerk. Are you a teacher?Or is this merely opinion? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 10:55am It is a fact. Another one that you'll attempt to deny. Ask any teacher or administrator that has been to a national conference recently if they were identified with Two-A-Days. Ask if there was a smirk on the face of the person asking the question. Here's just one of many anecdotes: an adminstrator was recently at a national conference (within the last 2 months). A counterpart from a school system in the northeast asked if our administrator was from THE Hoover High School of Two-A-Days notoriety. Our administrator smiled politely and say yes. The counterpart (a male, in the 50+ age range) said "have you fired that coach yet?" Facts. Indisputable. Hoover's reputation is going down the tubes because we continue, as a community, to publicly support RP. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 07/31/07 at 11:55am Quote:
I have been very clear in that if he were having relations with a student, that this would be a whole other issue as there is a difference between consensual and statutory. If he can't keep in his pants, as long as the women of the system are offering him a place to put it, it looks like the scorn has been awfully one sided in these two sided actions. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 07/31/07 at 12:08pm So his playboy image doesn't bother you? It doesn't make you cringe that he's so closely associated with your hometown? The teachers that RP has tainted need to go as well. No question about that. An organizational culture that allows these sorts of shananigans is poisoned. Best to clear the air of all concerned. And don't say "it happens everywhere". Just because it does, it doesn't make it right. Especially in an organization that is SUPPOSED to be child-centered. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by truthseeker on 07/31/07 at 12:09pm ILuvHoova wrote:
Playing devil's advocate, what's the worst that could happen if the status quo remains? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 1:54pm More of the same...only more. Year after year. I don't want that for my child. Do you want it for yours? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by truthseeker on 07/31/07 at 2:29pm DriveSouth wrote:
There's always gonna be enough "recruits" that'll be willing to put up with it because their alternative is Birmingham City Schools. Hoover City Schools will NEVER be as bad as B'ham City Schools. Few districts will ever be as bad as Birmingham. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 2:42pm Never say never, I always say. But whether Hoover will ever be as bad as B'ham is irrelevant. It needs to be better than it is now and as long as the status quo remains, well, the status quo, it will never be better. Sorry, I said "never". |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by truthseeker on 07/31/07 at 2:49pm DriveSouth wrote:
Not really. as long as Hoover is as well-off as it is, and B'ham schools are as bad as they are, it won't be a hard sell for Rush to get kids to come to Hoover. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 07/31/07 at 3:17pm You're assuming that there are always going to be enough of them who can afford to live here. Having said that, your point is taken... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 8:43am ILuvHoova wrote:
I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me. Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look. I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 9:37am You are right, HooverHooch. The Hoover School System needs to pull together, stop the witch hunt, put this behind them and move forward. All of this is unproductive. You hear this sort of talk and rumors in every workplace and you just have to move on and don't get consumed by personal agendas and vendettas. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:13am HooverHooch wrote:
I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me. Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look. I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action.[/quote] So, if we follow your reasoning, then it wasn't smart for the BOE to let go of the principal two weeks before school starts, was it? That seems to me to be even worse timing. Getting rid of the football coach is insignificant compared to that. Or do you think that the football coach is more important to the school (i.e the ACADEMIC pupose, the reason we call it a school) than the principal? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:18am BucsJags wrote:
BucsJags, the system is beginning to pull together, that is, the quiet majority of decent citizens who are more interested in the school than the football program are beginning to stir. They are tired of the corruption and immorality that certain of our "leaders" have flaunted in their faces. This is no witch hunt - it is a housecleaning - and the sooner we throw out the trash and scum that are living in our house, the better. There is no good time for this sort of thing, but eventually it has to be done. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/01/07 at 10:19am You are right HooverHooch, the housecleaning should have been done a long time ago. But hey, cleaning is never easy...but it has to be done. No matter what time of the year it is. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 10:51am DriveSouth wrote:
I know this is where we differ, but it does not bother me. Honestly, there are worse people associated with Hoover if you know where to look. I respect your opinion, but I don't believe that a housecleaning a week before school starts is the best timing for such an action.[/quote] So, if we follow your reasoning, then it wasn't smart for the BOE to let go of the principal two weeks before school starts, was it? That seems to me to be even worse timing. Getting rid of the football coach is insignificant compared to that. Or do you think that the football coach is more important to the school (i.e the ACADEMIC pupose, the reason we call it a school) than the principal?[/quote] Well, if you follow my reasoning, I think it is idiotic to have had Bishops contract expire two weeks before school started. While hindsight is 20/20, the timing on Bishop was unavoidable unless you go back to the writing of the contract. I personally think that Jarnigan was hired as CAO knowing full well that he was going to be principal of Hoover High School, but I have no proof of it. Call it a hunch that has no backing or support. You say in one post "housecleaning", here you say just the football coach. "Housecleaning" a week before school starts is a bad move. I reiterate my position on this. I don't care. I don't think what he has done makes him deserving to be fired, but a side of me wants him to go just to drop the topic and move on to something else. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:00am Sorry for any confusion, but they were two separate posts, right? I do think there should be a housecleaning - the coach would be a significant part of that. There is never going to be a good time for it, just like there is never good time to have surgery for cancer. In either case, the sooner the better. Let me ask you this, Hooch: What is your opinion of Bill Clinton? Should he have been persecuted (and/or prosecuted) for his personal behavior? It is relevant, in fact it is the same thing... Unfortunately, we cannot move on until this is mess is cleaned up once and for all. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 11:44am DriveSouth wrote:
My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 11:53am HooverHooch wrote:
My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted. [/quote] Not that it matters, since it was ten years ago, but he did not get prosecuted for having bad taste in women. He was prosecuted for lying under oath, which is a crime. The women part was the cause of the lying. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 11:57am I agree with Hooch that Jarnigan was in place for the position. That is the only thing I agree with. If it was Hooch's child that had sex with the president when they were an intern, would it be different? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:59am HooverHooch wrote:
My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted. [/quote] Thanks for being consistent. You have no idea how many people are not. We'll have to agree to disagree. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 12:03pm superdolfan wrote:
My opinion of Bill Clinton is that he has nasty taste in women, but since that is not a crime, he should not have been prosecuted. [/quote] Not that it matters, since it was ten years ago, but he did not get prosecuted for having bad taste in women. He was prosecuted for lying under oath, which is a crime. The women part was the cause of the lying. [/quote] I am well aware of that, Superdolfan, but I wanted to get Hooch's take on that. I have asked numerous people the same question and you would be amazed (or perhaps you wouldn't) how many of them would have hung Clinton for the personal behavior, but feel exactly the opposite about Rush. Hooch, at least, is not the hypocrite many others are... |
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Title: RP USED HOOVER Post by slc07 on 08/01/07 at 1:49pm Hoover had a great football program long before any of us even heard of RP. Coach Larry Wilson started this program at Berry High School in the early sixties and then Coach Bob Findley took over, building on Coach Wilson's solid and highly respected foundation. RP is not a great football coach - he's a great self promoter. He misused the Hoover football program and the players to advance a personal agenda; To feed his massive ego and to build a resume that he thought would get him a college coaching job. Well, guess what ? In the last year, colleges in Alabama (three in Birmingham) hired over fifty football coaches ... and RP wasn't one of them. He's not responsible for Hoover Football success - he's responsible for its' shame. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 2:03pm slc07, you have no idea what you're ranting about. For starters, Rush Propst was only remotely interested in one coaching job and that was the UAB Head Coach opening. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/01/07 at 2:11pm billybob555 wrote:
My child as an adult like Monica was or my child now as a 9th grader which would be pedophilia? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ShadzMtnMom on 08/01/07 at 2:14pm BucsJag... It's true that Rush really wanted that UAB job, but correct me if I'm wrong - they didn't even offer him an interview for the head coach position. What a slam. Wonder why? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 2:32pm UAB wanted a coach with extensive college experience and Rush Propst had none. They initially wanted a coach that some say Alabama blocked to protect their own program's success and then UAB went to UGA for Callaway. True, Rush Prospt was not on their list but that would hardly be considered a slam when you look at the coaches with years of college experience they were entertaining for the job. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 3:00pm So, that wasn't Rush that I saw on TV (on more than one occassion) and heard in radio interviews practically begging a college - any college - to hire him? Also, I distinctly remember him lobbying Nick Saban for a job at 'Bama. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by JBH on 08/01/07 at 3:31pm I believe it was. And this was going on during playoffs. |
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Title: Nobody Else will have RP . . Post by slc07 on 08/01/07 at 3:51pm BucsJags wrote:
And UAB didn't even show him the courtesy of a call But - he did meet with Nick didn't he? Did he turn Nick down and and agree not to say anything about it? The truth is - that NO other school in Jefferson and/or Shelby County would have RP. And, that's been true for several years - not just since his underbelly was exposed to everyone. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ShadzMtnMom on 08/01/07 at 3:59pm I just remember at the time this was all going on being shocked that UAB wouldn't even interview him. I mean, you would think that the head coach of one of the top high schools in the nation (which just happened to be located in UAB's backyard!) would merit an interview at the least. The fact that Coach Propst was talking about college jobs and showing interest in several of them and then be denied even an interview with UAB is definitely a slam in my opinion. I can understand them wanting someone with more collegiate experience. I really felt sorry for him at the time, it made him look silly and appeared that he really wanted to leave HHS. I wonder if the current situation that we find ourselves in now is one of the reasons. We'll find out when Judge Pointer has the results of the investigation. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 08/01/07 at 4:03pm My understanding is that "double life" had been discovered by the UAB guys. That's why they didn't consider him. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 4:17pm Believe what you wish, you are apparently highly jejune. Even if something were found to be true, of the rumors, there are ways to go about addressing them. Many of you say he's disgusting, shameful and blah blah blah, but what you all are doing is so much worse and you are too benighted to realize what you're directly doing to your own community and children. Visit the link below http://hooverbuc.com/content.asp?SID=1270&CID=62052 and look at who and what you are hurting even further by your own posts on public forums. If indeed Rush Propst did something wrong in his marriage, he and his family should be able to deal with it on their own in private and not with the help of hateful callow hypocrites. If you think what Rush allegedly did is worse than what in fact many of you are doing, you are callously wrong. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 4:44pm Bucsjag, I looked at the picture and I see a very sad boy sitting as far away from his dad as he can get. Rush is to blame for what happens to his family. I have done nothing to hurt my community or my children. I have never acted worse than RP in my entire life. Is S. Duck a real person or is that made up also. When you do not like what you read, calling it gossip does not make it go away. People that can't see what is plainly in front of them have a problem. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 4:53pm Billybob, you too possibly being jejune would allow you to think along those lines. You missed the point completely, there are proper ways to handle such concerns. Gossip on public forums, talk radio and newspapers are not proper ways to address the rumors. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/01/07 at 4:59pm BucsJags wrote:
Maybe it's not the best way to handle it...but it IS the way it's handled in the public. Clinton, Swaggart, Baker, all of Hollywood. The days of hiding the immorality from the public ended with the Kennedys. The POINT YOU are missing is that his character is in question and should he be a mentor/teacher of our children. My answer is NO. No for him, no for anyone else who is flagrant about his/her infidelity. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 5:05pm No, you bucsjag, trying to be high and mighty DO NOT GET IT. You miss the point completely and are acting like isport or a booster parent. When your BOE makes decisions that affect you and your child, people will talk. When your coach has a questionable behavior, people will talk. Answer my question if you can. Is S. Duck a real person or was she "made up" just to make you unhappy? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 5:09pm Oh, by the way bucsjag, you can put your thesaurus up now. You used your big word for the day. (jejune) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 5:12pm Too much daytime and late night TV as well as chat rooms and excessive tabloid subscriptions for you, I see. That is one of the main issues and moral downfalls of the “Christian sector” in today's society. Everyone with such an opinion thinks you can air out anyone's so-called dirty laundry if so chosen. Answer this question; Is the nation a better place today, morally or code of ethics, than it was for your parents or grandparents? The answer is that it's disgustingly worse. But you keep on thinking the way you do, it's the reason for the continued downfall of this nation that has been going on since around the Kennedy’s days. Don't worry too much about Hoover, there's a bigger picture that's victim as result of your type thinking. How shameful. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 5:14pm billybob555 wrote:
Jejune is a very common word in many professional vocabularies. Family awaits, have a good evening. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 5:16pm BucsJags wrote:
OK, Bucs, lets go with your premise that these forums, talk radio and newspapers are not the proper ways to address the issue. Now, please keep in mind that you're dealing with parents who's children attend HHS. Parents are funny individuals. They tend to be overprotective at times. They don't like it when their offspring are placed in an unhealthy environment. Now, here you have these parents who look upon the people they have entrusted their children to, the Hoover Board of Education. They see that the BoE is really not handling the situation, at least not in a public way. Parents want everything out in the open when it comes to their kids. The BoE is not doing that. They are being to secretive about it. Why do you think that is? What do they have to hide from us, the parents. Is what they do none of our business? Are we too ignorant to understand their jobs? I doubt that. What is the proper way to settle these parents down? Difficulty: You can't tell them to be patient and wait for the investigation because two of the BoE members have already stated that the faculty's personal life is off limits. You're understandably angry and upset. You stick up for the coach every chance you get and that's admirable. If you were my friend and I ever got in trouble, I would want you in my corner, no doubt about it. Sometimes you handle your anger in an interesting fashion. But sooner or later you have to admit that something might be up and there's "the right thing to do". You know what I'm talking about, but you don't want to face the truth. This program will survive, regardless of who's coaching the team. I'm told that there was Hoover football before the current coach was hired. I'm sure there will be Hoover football long after he's gone. billybob's line is probably the most important one on this thread: When you do not like what you read, calling it gossip does not make it go away. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 5:17pm You putting your head in the sand and acting like all is well contributes to the downfall. Anyone with such a ridiculous reply as you make, says it all. IMO, you are opprobrious. (my big word for the day) and it is better than yours. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 5:20pm billybob555 wrote:
You guys better start linking your "big words of the day" to dictionary.com if you're going to keep this up... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by JBH on 08/01/07 at 5:26pm All the discussion you cannot find anywhere else, and vocabulary words too! I love this place! BucsJag, I like your screen name, and picture with it. I am a Bucs parent, but I always root for SPHS, unless they are playing us. I think the talk here will actually help bring things out in the open, which needs to happen. Its too bad that it has come to this. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ShadzMtnMom on 08/01/07 at 5:59pm BucsJags wrote:
The nation is a more crude and common place than it was when I was a child. Maybe it's because they've taken God out of every building they can. Maybe it's because all the drunk hippies from the sixties did a crappy job raising their kids who are now raising little barbarians (as Whoopi Goldberg said on TV). Maybe it's the "gotta have everything NOW...gotta be new and gotta be big" attitude and the "win at all costs" attitude that many people live by these days. It's a lot of things and none of them very good. Blaming Christians for the moral downfall of the nation is so P.C. of you. I'm hoping that the horrible place we find ourselves in right now will result in good people taking back their school system and city. I think everyone wants the best schools and athletics. We just have to decide as a city if signing away our souls is what we're left with at the end of the day to get the biggest and the best. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 08/01/07 at 6:29pm American Society is headed to hell in a handbasket precisely BECAUSE no one will take a moral stand. Yeah, we conservatives try to....we scream and yell...but we never get anywhere because of people like you, BucsJags, who attempt to make us feel bad for trying to take a moral stand. In the "old days" (i.e., our parents' time), if somebody like a football coach was fooling around, the superintendent and the principal and the church leaders would have taken him aside and said "cut it out". And it would have ended. But no one dare approach the mighty king propst. And ShadzMtnMom has it exactly right: since they've taken God out of everything, all hope for morality is lost. Moral standards MUST be in place to have civilized society. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 6:40pm I had a last minute conference call that kept me here much longer that I wanted to, so since it's been this long, here is my last reply of the day for you to feast upon (jejune behavior) while I'm away. I agree with you there, billybob, the program will survive. There is no question. However, the reputation that is now splattered all over the nation of Hoover, Alabama on public forums will be a long time from being removed due to the behavior of our less than stand-up citizens posting all the rumors and gossip like child’s play for public consumption. This is typical of the bourgeois, pious and a pretentious self-righteous person. You are doing far greater harm to your reputation and to Hoover than all of the people put together that you point your finger at in your condemnations. As I’ve said already, you also are too benighted to realize these simple facts and the truth about your behavior in addressing your concerns. What an embarrassing display of parenthood and citizenship within our community. How should you have addressed your concerns? Civilly, even if you feel that you've done it a million times before. Not like an amadan. What you do is you organize, not bringing your children along or into your discussions at home or on the phone, and then you once again go the BOE and CC meetings. I know you think that’s a lot of hard work, but that is reality of how life works, or should work. I actually think being civil is a long lost art with many of today’s so-called adults. Then if you don't get the result you're looking for, you speak by way of your vote. Less than 40% turned out at the last elections. What does that tell you? It tells me that people would rather sling mud and act like children over the blogs, chat rooms, forums and talk-radio than act like mature civil responsible adults. Isn't that truly sad? Someone had posted over and over a comment I wholly agree with. You have been duped into "being heard for a change", not only by those within your own community, but also by many on the outside as well that want to see you fall and then ridiculed. Your deplorable and very vocal public Internet and media behavior has made your community the laughing stock of the nation. Far worse than MTV or Hollywood to the point that Mountain Brook is laughing at you, Vestavia is laughing at you, and Homewood is laughing at you. On top of those communities being in complete awe over what they are witnessing in your behavior, you now even have communities that look up to a prospering city like Hoover for examples of how to make a community successful, Alabaster and Pelham and Calera are all laughing at you so hard that tears are rolling down their cheeks. I hope you hold your heads up high when you're out, and you sleep well at nights for a long time to come. Well, as I said earlier, family awaits. Have a good evening. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 6:49pm Which family is waiting for you? I see you are playing with the thesaurus again. My spouse and I deal with accountants, lawyers and engineers every week. We have had a great time laughing about your reply about professional vocabularies using the word jejune. Will your head go down in the sand any further???? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/01/07 at 6:52pm ILuvHoova wrote:
Taking a moral stand is not the issue. It is all about how you've gone about taking that moral stance. Please talk to your Church leaders and ask if the posts you've made and actions you've taken are in the realm of "WWJD?" and if God would be proud of your witnessing he asks you to spread daily to your fellow man. And don't throw in the Rush Propst angle. As my father taught me, and his father taught him, "Two Wrongs don't make a Right”. The second wrong is exceedingly unacceptable, worse than the first. Many so-called "Moral majority" or "Christians" cite the Bible as saying "Gossip" is acceptable. That would be the furthest from the truth. Gossipers and Hypocrites are said to be of the worst kind, according to scripture. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 6:58pm And why don't you go ask your church group if you judging others is ok. Did your father teach you that opinions may differ? Did he teach you to treat others with respect and not insinuate their intelligence is not up to par with words like jejune? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 08/01/07 at 7:17pm When the members of your city leadership and the members of your school board and the members of the most powerful booster organization this side of the Nile REFUSE to make changes based on the moral standards of your community, you have NO CHOICE but to speak on the Internet and in forums and in e-mails and in other like channels to GET THE MESSAGE OUT! Do you not think that any of us have TRIED to deal with this issue (RP's inflated power) outside of this forum? Where have you been? I have personally brought it up with those that have the power to oust him. TO NO AVAIL! If our city's leaders (governmental and academic) would pull their heads out of their a$$e$ and recognize that it is, IN FACT, THEIR behavior that has made us the laughingstock of the state and the nation, THEIR antics of FOOTBALL IS EVERYTHING, THEIR antics of allowing immoral behavior the pass because, BY GOD WINNING IS EVERYTHING, we wouldn't have to resort to forums and the like. There is NO WAY to rid this community of the Mighty King Propst without sending him packing with his mistress and their kids. RUSH PROPST IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DEBACLE. To blame it on anyone else proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Have a nice dinner. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Bucsfan on 08/01/07 at 7:18pm Like I posted last week when morals go all you have is a big pile of crap. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by whomeever424 on 08/01/07 at 8:02pm ManofSteel wrote:
Sounds like our "friend" Sports. ::) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 8:07pm whomeever424 wrote:
Sounds like our "friend" Sports. ::)[/quote] Nope. MoS is Man of Steel and a friend of the forum. He just likes football, that's all. But he's also got class. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by whomeever424 on 08/01/07 at 8:15pm Then my apology. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 8:19pm whomeever424 wrote:
Not at problem. Welcome to the forum, whomeever! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by forpeace on 08/01/07 at 8:30pm I have been reading this forum and the "other" one when things are not deleted ;) trying to make sense of the laughingstock that Hoover has become. I just have a few statements and questions that I would like to make and ask. 1. I am a little confused BucJag as to why you have yet to answer the question of is there a Stephanie. You write as if you have a tremendous amount of knowledge about the situation and seem to feel that "Coach" has done nothing wrong so why not answer a simple question? 2. Why has some investigative reporter not gone to Pell City and either confirmed or denied, once and for all and then there would either be proof or not be proof? He is either there sometimes or he is not. 3. When you take on a job in the public arena whether it be BOE, Coach, etc., you know going in to it that you and your behavior are open to the scrutiny of the public. IF the allegations are true, it seems to me that people have perhaps violated the "Code of Ethics". 4. Yes, last time I checked this is still America. We can wear what we want if we are adults. It would be more fitting as a BOE member at a BOE meeting, in my opinion, for them to dress in a more businesslike manner rather than looking like they are applying for a job at Hooters, most especially since they make and approve the dress code for Hoover schools. BOE members should follow dress code at BOE meetings if they expect the dress code to followed at school. Period. 5. Last but not least, it seems to me that some people forget that as adults and even as children, we are responsible for our behaviour.. No one else but ourselves. I don't know what is fact and what is fiction in this ongoing saga of Hoover. Hopefully it will all be figured out soon so this business can be over. But the bottom line is when you make choices; good or bad, you alone are responsible. If other people are talking about the choices, remember if you had not made the bad choice or the good choice; there would not be anything for people to talk about. And in life, there are consequences for your actions. So, to the "powers that be". Hurry up, figure it out; dispense consequences and let's move on. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/01/07 at 8:33pm Welcome forpeace. Great post!! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by forpeace on 08/01/07 at 8:37pm Thanks BillyBob! :) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/01/07 at 9:00pm forpeace wrote:
Five excellent, and simple, questions/statements that are costing us, the taxpayers, a lot of money to answer. Welcome, forpeace, to the forum. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 10:17pm darn, if a lot ain't been happening while I was gone! You people have been getting at IT. This stuff ain't Je-june at all. BucsJerk, you may know the word, but you don't use it properly. And if you think folks are "fools" then just say so...amadan, jeez. Twenty-dollar words and being a pompous a** won't sway peoples opinions. Neither will attacking them. Better to appeal to their reason than to rant like an overeducated boob... Bourgeois? Are you a communist? Self-righteous? Man, you're the king! Trust me, DUDE, my God and I are tight. Are you and yours? Cheers! |
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Title: right you are DriveSouth, Post by momminator on 08/01/07 at 11:03pm I DO know this: I'm an engineer and my husband is an attorney and I don't use jejune or amadan in ANY of my normal discourse (but I DO use 'discourse'... ;D ) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:08pm I'll bet you do... ;) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by momminator on 08/01/07 at 11:10pm One other question since the word is getting thrown around: Have you guys heard the band 'Amadan'? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/01/07 at 11:11pm But I'll say this for BucsFan, I haven't seen words like that since I typed freshman English papers in college for extra money. Of course, I edited that crap out... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by riverteacher on 08/02/07 at 12:05am "Daddy, why are people saying the coach has two families? Is it ok as long as you play football?" "I'm sorry son, I can't discuss this with you, I am going to be civil." You have got to be kidding. Look up kidding in your thesaurus-- in a civil discourse it may be politely substituted for " effin out of your mind". |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 12:16am momminator wrote:
It's an Irish word that means, "fool". |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 8:06am riverteacher wrote:
"Daddy, why are people saying the coach has two families? Is it ok as long as you play football?" "Son, coach has made bad decisions in his personal life and I am glad that I raised you well enough to spot that what he had done is questionable and that you came to me with your concerns. We can discuss what is wrong about it if you like. If you ever have any other questions about anything, please feel comfortable in coming to me with them" Common Sense. Look up common sense in the thesaurus. You will see a picture of the author of the previous father-son scenario, looking at me saying, "that Hooverhooch has some common sense." in a civil discourse, it may be politely substituted for "what normal effin people use to rationalize things they read" |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 8:15am So Dad, you are saying it is wrong and lets continue to play football and only talk about this at home. I thought birds of a feather flock together. So Dad, your saying this is alright as long as we win, right Dad? Son, go ask your mother. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by JBH on 08/02/07 at 8:25am Thanks dad. Mom loves those questions. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 9:15am billybob555 wrote:
Yes, it is wrong. Yes, you can continue to play football. There are books available since you obviously have problems communicating with your kids. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by momminator on 08/02/07 at 9:20am DriveSouth, Amadan does indeed mean fool in 'Gaelic' but it's also a band from Corvallis, WA. Irishpunk. Since we are using this word now, I think we should all broaden our musical horizons with some Celtic-Punk. Whatchyouall think? ;D 8-) |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:24am Let me get my can of whoop a$$ out. Look if you want to let your children think it is ok to commit adultry, go ahead, have at it. If you want to teach them to lie, have at that too. Go ahead, teach them that football is the most important thing at all cost. As superdolfan says, you opened your mouth and proved it. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/02/07 at 9:24am HooverHooch wrote:
Yes, it is wrong. Yes, you can continue to play football. There are books available since you obviously have problems communicating with your kids. http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ANRSCA47L._AA240_.jpg[/quote] Well put, HooverHooch. I couldn't agree with you more on your post. Sincerely, BucsJags |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:25am Oh and by the way hooch, my kids know that I don't sugar coat the facts. You can't say the same now can you. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 9:28am You know, the people who think this is all OK will end up suffering in the end. Communication? They are sending the WRONG message to their children AND the community. They will wake up one day with a daughter who wants to work at HOOTERS after school or a son who gets his girlfriend pregnant. Let them have their fun...one day they will look back and say, "where did you ever get the idea that this was ok?" |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:31am You are right LawMom. These are the type people that blame someone else when something happens to their children. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 9:34am momminator wrote:
momminator, Gaelic, of course, is the proper term. And the band is pretty good if you like that sort of thing (and I am a fan of all music). I think that the horizons of several of the folks here could use some broadening... Bail ó Dhia ort! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/02/07 at 9:42am DriveSouth wrote:
I bet you are. However I'm not referencing your ego. Sound familiar? I apologize, I shouldn't have said that about you, I’m sure you attend Church on Sundays. Regardless, your above post echoes loud and clear all that is wrong with parents and adults today, even right here in Hoover. Too much TV and Tabloids for you too, I see. About my choice of words - In the future I'll try to dumb it down for you a little. Or should I not stoop to your level? I personally feel that the latter would be the better choice. Well shoot, a meeting calls. I will make on more post to help someone out in the Sports Forum and then I must go for a while. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by momminator on 08/02/07 at 9:45am Folks, I think Hooch is just a big proponent of the 'live and let live' philosophy which generally is totally espoused by many younger adults. I know I would defend this philosophy to the death in my early twenties. This operating philosophy becomes harder and harder to continue to believe as you progress in age and have seen a great deal of life. At least for me, that philosophy was totally mine through my twenties and into the early 30's. But as my life has progressed, children have grown, I've been thru a divorce and a happy remarriage, and I've seen many things and faced more and more moral dilemmas until truthfully I could no longer be totally disinterested and just write everything off into 'live and let live'. I have seen far too much collateral damage to friends, families, children of friends and my own children to just agree to ignore egregious behaviour and never say a word or try to invoke a change in behavior. I deeply believe that 'judge not, lest ye be judged' and I certainly know it's the Lord's final judgement is all that matters, so I know not to make any judgements on RP soul.... but I know enough honest fact to have lots of concern in this situation. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 9:46am billybob555 wrote:
Bucsjerk, I notice that you never are able to answer the questions. Are they too hard for you? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/02/07 at 9:55am LawMom wrote:
That seems to happen very often to parents that tell me all the same things I'm reading out here posted by you. I've seen that happen several times with kids in our Church, Pastor's children, and often with the highly educated and wealthy. Yes, instilling values is the most important thing you can do as a parent, but instilling the right values like how to address issues, how not to conduct yourself when in opposition with someone (and the list goes on) are the values many parents often overlook. That is then when the child makes bad decisions, they weren't taught all the right values for life. Fortunately, some children grow up and learn many values on their own that they were never taught as a child. Then again, some don't and there creates the main issue that brings us to what we are seeing today in our community. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by momminator on 08/02/07 at 9:58am BucsJag, You don't need to 'dumb down' anything for most of this group..and if you noticed, many of us thought you sounded silly, notjust DriveSouth or BillyBob. And, at first, I thought jejune was probably just an honest accidental mix-in of words you don't normally use in casual conversation. But using 'amadan' in your reply post did look pretty pompous. Actually, it was pretty funny. I just want to make sure you know you are asking for it from this group. You do know that, don't you? :o |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:02am Yes Momminator, he knows this. He is like isport in the sense that he only wants to agitate this forum and make no worthy post except to point his Christian finger. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 10:05am BucsJags wrote:
I bet you are. However I'm not referencing your ego. Sound familiar? I apologize, I shouldn't have said that about you, I’m sure you attend Church on Sundays. Regardless, your above post echoes loud and clear all that is wrong with parents and adults today, even right here in Hoover. Too much TV and Tabloids for you too, I see. About my choice of words - In the future I'll try to dumb it down for you a little. Or should I not stoop to your level? I personally feel that the latter would be the better choice. Well shoot, a meeting calls. I will make on more post to help someone out in the Sports Forum and then I must go for a while. [/quote] There are many who attend church every Sunday who have no real relationship whatsoever with their God. Conversely, there are multitudes of Godly people who never set foot inside a church. You would be wise not to make assumptions, especially given your obvious lack of mental acuity. And in what way does my post indicate what is wrong with parents and adults today? More to the point, what, specifically, do you think is wrong with them (that is so obviously NOT wrong with YOU)? As I watch little television and never read tabloids, I am confused as to what you are talking about, but that could be because you don't know what you're talking about. In order for you to stoop to my level, you'll have to stand in a chair. And don't dumb anything down for me. Language is my business and I can handle any vocabulary set that you care to throw at me. I just thought that you might get your point across better if you didn't sound like such a pretentious a**. Ciao! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 10:11am billybob555 wrote:
billybob, it probably is iSport. He uses a variety of screen names (and admitted as much in another forum). This is his life. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:15am billybob555 wrote:
You are right. I should punish my child by not allowing him to play football because a guy who has a job coaching the team has made bad decisions in his personal life. BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. You all are the most selfish individuals I have ever encountered. You want a man prosecuted and terminated because you think that what he has done in his personal life will outweigh what who have (or should have) been teaching your children all along. You want him gone to make yourself feel better about yourself. It is comical. Firing him doesn't make any of this go away. Then, you try to take my opinion, which has always been that what he did was wrong, shameful, and should be handled in private, intimate, family setting between Rush, his wife, his mistress, and however many girlfriends and divorce attorneys it would take, and try to turn it into me saying that I approve of him committing adultery. Your comments make no sense. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:23am Hey can you see down here from your high and mighty pedestal? Like you are a great person saying that I need a parenting book for dummies. You don't know me, yet you can make gossip about my parenting? Why is what you do to me different than someone talking about the coach? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:26am billybob555 wrote:
The same type that try to blame a football coach for your kids going out and humping anything that moves or are you a different type than that? Your comments make no sense. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:27am billybob555 wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:29am billybob555 wrote:
Sorry, did you want me to sugarcoat it for you? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:29am There you go spreading gossip again. You have the most asinine comments I have ever read. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:32am You need to stop inhaling and put the pipe down. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:38am billybob555 wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 10:42am HooverHooch wrote:
Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 10:43am I do not have to go back and find anything. You prove it every time you hit a key on your computer with your keep it in house attitude. You are the one that twist words and you think you are so much smarter than anyone here. You are not worthy of anymore of my time. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 10:54am LawMom wrote:
Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys.[/quote] Ummm, no it doesn't. If he is causing as much harm as you have insinuated, then the ramifications will take years of therapy for all of your kids to overcome. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 11:02am HooverHooch wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. [/quote] If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong. Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week. We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 11:10am momminator wrote:
While I appreciate the thought that I may be in my early 30's, the fact is that I have dealt with people that are so much worse, people that are just outright evil, people that will ruin you in a heartbeat if it means getting them another dollar, that I just can't see myself getting all outraged about a man having an affair. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 11:27am HooverHooch wrote:
While I appreciate the thought that I may be in my early 30's, the fact is that I have dealt with people that are so much worse, people that are just outright evil, people that will ruin you in a heartbeat if it means getting them another dollar, that I just can't see myself getting all outraged about a man having an affair. [/quote] Worked for Scrushy, huh? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/02/07 at 11:29am superdolfan wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. [/quote] If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong. Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week. We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought. [/quote] I appreciate your civil tone, and we will just have to agree to disagree. I do not have a child at HHS yet. My oldest is my daughter who will be in 9th grade at the Freshman Campus, which looks incredible by the way. I was finally able to hobble through earlier this week. My youngest will be 7th grade at Bumpus. We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/02/07 at 11:33am Worked for Scrushy, huh? DriveSouth, thank you. You make me laugh. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 11:45am HooverHooch wrote:
Ummm Actually, it DOES make it go away. Then your boy can play football under someone who is more suited to mold the mind/body/morals of these young boys.[/quote] Ummm, no it doesn't. If he is causing as much harm as you have insinuated, then the ramifications will take years of therapy for all of your kids to overcome. [/quote] So I guess we need to keep him as coach so more and more and more boys can be destined for years of therapy. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/02/07 at 11:46am HooverHooch wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. [/quote] If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong. Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week. We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought. [/quote] I appreciate your civil tone, and we will just have to agree to disagree. I do not have a child at HHS yet. My oldest is my daughter who will be in 9th grade at the Freshman Campus, which looks incredible by the way. I was finally able to hobble through earlier this week. My youngest will be 7th grade at Bumpus. We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is. [/quote] BUT, as one of the board members said..."These boys spend MORE time with RP than they do their own family." Hard to deny an influence like that. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by superdolfan on 08/02/07 at 11:47am HooverHooch wrote:
BillyBob, go back and find one time I said that I encouraged Rush's behavior. [/quote] If I might jump in, please. HH, I think the perception that we are getting from you is that although you are not promoting his behavior, you are also stating that his behavior has nothing to do with the current state of affairs (no pun intended). Correct me if I stated that wrong. Assuming I got it right, though, and without going into a long, drawn out background, I can tell you that you are incorrect. As a parent of a boy at Hoover High School, the weight and influence this particular coach has is unreal. This is one of the reasons my son is not allowed to play on the football team. And trust me, his lineage makes him a natural player. I know of coaches that have changed schools because they don't agree with this man's style. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have a son at the high school. As a parent of a girl that graduated from there, I can tell you that there's a HUGE difference between the two when it comes to certain subjects, the coach being one of them. The girls don't see him like the boys do. The girls see him as just another faculty member. The boys see him as the man who brought them national fame, forgetting that it's the players that actually suit up every week. We can be the best parents in the world, which most of us try to be. We can instill values, keep communication open, teach the morally right thing to do and all of that can be destroyed by one person, who carries a lot of weight, doing certain things, things we teach our kids are wrong. Yes, things would change if he were gone. Food for thought. [/quote] We, as a family, have been through an awful lot, and I would be greatly disappointed if my son, or daughter, could not determine right from wrong because of an influential non family member. I would however, put the breakdown on myself and not that 3rd party person, whoever it is. [/quote] Strap yourself in because you're in for a wild ride! What you have experienced in elementary school and middle school doesn't shine a light to what you are about to experience in high school. Prepare to be disappointed at least once or twice. Stay strong, stay involved. Always. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/02/07 at 3:36pm billybob555 wrote:
You're welcome, billybob. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by chuck on 08/03/07 at 8:56am HooverHooch wrote:
I understand and agree with your logic HH, however, this issue can't be resolved this way. RP and his wife and SD have no intentions of changing the situation. This isn't a typical "short-term", sectetive affair. It's been a workable situation for them for years. It's a "dual family" situation. I don't think that RP has any intentions of terminating his relationship with SD, nor his current wife. So, as a community, we have to decide, is it acceptable for the football coach, who is a very public representative of the community, to have this lifestyle? If, the community doesn't feel it's acceptable, then it's up to the community to take their concerns to the board. Many of you feel that the coach's personal lifestyle is of no interest or consequence to the community. I understand that perspective. Oh, and save your comments about "evidence". The only evidence that would satisfy many of you, is if RP, SD, or RP's wife come out and admit it. Unfortunately, none of them are willing to do that because it affects RP's career and ultimately their "lifestyle". Sometimes, I think that it may be best to be left alone. Any impact to Rush's livelyhood directly impacts the financials support of all of his children. It's something that needs to be considered. Just my $.02. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by aka_deplume on 08/03/07 at 9:08am chuck wrote:
Once I drove to the high school and saw a nice, red, shiny Mercedes Benz two-seater coupe parked in the football player's parking lot. I told my child, who I cannot afford to purchase a vehicle for, that they will never have a vehicle like that in high school unless they pay for it themselves. My child then told me who the vehicle belonged to. Sorry, chuck, but after finding out who the vehicle belonged to, the violins are not coming out on this one. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by chuck on 08/03/07 at 9:18am aka_deplume wrote:
I don't know this for a fact but I have heard that RP is provided vehicles for no charge from a local dealership. That could be rumor but I'd be surprised if he could afford such vehicles at his salary and with two families to support. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 9:25am chuck wrote:
I don't know this for a fact but I have heard that RP is provided vehicles for no charge from a local dealership. That could be rumor but I'd be surprised if he could afford such vehicles at his salary and with two families to support. [/quote] That would depend on how much he makes outside of his official salary. And who is to say that he supports both families? According to the story, the second family lives with the woman's parents. So it's not like he's pay rent and utilities "over there". But then perhaps he does. In addition, if he is provided vehicles at no charge from a local dealership then that in itself is a form of compensation. And not an ethical one in my mind. BTW: Is this something that would have to be reported to the IRS? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by whomeever424 on 08/03/07 at 10:04am DriveSouth wrote:
I don't know this for a fact but I have heard that RP is provided vehicles for no charge from a local dealership. That could be rumor but I'd be surprised if he could afford such vehicles at his salary and with two families to support. [/quote] That would depend on how much he makes outside of his official salary. And who is to say that he supports both families? According to the story, the second family lives with the woman's parents. So it's not like he's pay rent and utilities "over there". But then perhaps he does. In addition, if he is provided vehicles at no charge from a local dealership then that in itself is a form of compensation. And not an ethical one in my mind. BTW: Is this something that would have to be reported to the IRS?[/quote] Both unethical and something that should be reported to the IRS. All this is just the tip of the iceberg! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by chuck on 08/03/07 at 10:09am Again, that's only rumor. I have no facts to back it up. Maybe someone else would care to chime in. Is there anyone with links to the dealership (Crown) that might know? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 10:31am Indeed, Chuck, it is a rumor, but one that I have heard from numerous sources, a few of whom would be in a position to know. And I'm not insinuating that he doesn't report it on his taxes. In fact, I am quite certain that he does if he has to. He has a high-priced attorney, so it's safe to assume that he has a decent accountant too. But it still seems unethical... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by croggen on 08/03/07 at 10:44am Well part of it already hit sports illustrated a while back. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kevin_armstrong/06/27/hoover.grades/index.html |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 11:07am Sweet. The Crusade has been expanded to take out an auto dealership. I believe Applebee's might have comped him a meal. Can you get them shut down too? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/03/07 at 11:09am If I owned a dealership that sold expensive import or domestic automobiles, I would allow them to be taken out on a Demo basis by Rush Propst, John Grass, or anyone that I knew would get my dealership additional exposure. This is extremely cost effective advertising dollars at work. My dealership would not have to report it to the IRS on behalf of any individual driving the automobile, and the other party would not have to list the automobile as any type of income or gift line item on their tax return. Test Drives (even overnight) and Loaners (for days, weeks, or months) are legal, of no issue with the IRS, and are ethical. They would be doing me a favor if one of my cars were parked at a Hoover or Spain Park High School football game. Come to think about it, maybe I own a dealership. Or two or three. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by croggen on 08/03/07 at 11:17am How about the saying, do as I say not as I do. Think back to your childhood and teenage years. Did you follow that? Even if your parents said that behavior is wrong and talked to you about why it was wrong. I found that me and pretty much all the kids I knew didn't follow that saying. we were more apt to follow the fealing, well the teacher did it or the coach did it and the parents did not care enough to stop it, so I think I will do it. If the parents can not take care of it though private channels. which it seems that several tried to do, then they have to get more vocal and make it public. As far as his family getting hurt, if he could not keep his pants on, then there is no one to blame but himself, not the people that made it public, just him. If he did not do it his family will not be hurt, because they know the truth and they will stand tall. That is the way I see it |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by aka_deplume on 08/03/07 at 11:18am BucsJags wrote:
Although in a sense you are correct from a business standpoint (great advertising) it is still not kosher by IRS rules. About ten years ago the city of Hoover went through a similar incident. A dealership was lending vehicles to city employees for pretty much the same reason you are stating and for the same time period (months). The problem arose when all of these cars had "Dealer" plates on them instead of regular license plates. This became a huge deal and the "demo" program ended. But I think you can shine more light on it, being a car dealer. During these trying times, any perception of imporpriety should be done away with. And frankly, if I'm the dealer, I would rather the "adult" drive the Mercedes and his kid drive the less expensive vehicle. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 11:19am BucsJags wrote:
Do I detect sarcasm? I love doing that on forums too! That's nice, I just turned 16 in December. Mind if I take ye olde 1976 Ford Mustang with racing stripes out for a spin? Mabye a few friends will buy it. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 11:24am HooverHooch wrote:
I know several of the Applebee's managers very well and I can tell you RP does not expect to ever pay for his meal or those that are dinning with him. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/03/07 at 11:34am aka_deplume, Dealer Tags are still in use today, as are Demo programs. I rode in a Demo to Anniston the other day and if you would like to purchase one, please visit your favorite Automotive Dealership showroom at your earliest convenience. They tend to sell rather quickly. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by BucsJags on 08/03/07 at 11:39am billybob555 wrote:
I know several of the Applebee's managers very well and I can tell you RP does not expect to ever pay for his meal or those that are dinning with him.[/quote] Nor did Jerry Browning. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by aka_deplume on 08/03/07 at 11:41am BucsJags wrote:
I understand that but I also know the intent of the Dealer Tag. It is intended to be used by the dealer for dealer business. It is not registered to a vehicle, and can be moved from car to car. I am also fully aware that lending out cars to friends, associates, etc. is something that all dealers do, it is also not what the intent of the tag was. You are bypassing the system and "just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right". This is why the "demo" program at city hall ceased, because it was being used for the wrong reason. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by chuck on 08/03/07 at 11:46am HooverHooch wrote:
I wasn't trying to start a campaign against auto dealers. I was just answering the poster's question about why Rush could be driving a shiny red Mercedes convertible on a head coach's salary. If a dealership wants to give him a car to drive, so what? It's pretty common way to advertise. It's especially common with radio personalities who advertise for a dealership. I'll be those vehicles are accruing some mileage though, with all of those trips to Pell City. ;D I have no problem with perks for a head coach. It comes with the territory and isn't exclusive to HHS. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 11:49am Then let's give perks to teachers too! That would be a whole lot more free advertising... |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 11:56am Why stop at the teachers? Here's the new deal. 3 A's and you get to drive a shiny new 2007 convertible! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 11:57am HooverHooch wrote:
Hooch, no one is suggesting a crusade against an auto dealership...it's still all about Rush. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 11:58am Lament wrote:
Good point, Lament, I like the idea. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Hoover Forum Administrator on 08/03/07 at 12:00pm Lament wrote:
The Board would like to nominate this post for Post of the Day. Does the Board have a second? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by Lament on 08/03/07 at 12:03pm Wow, my first day and I'm already this popular! I like this site :). |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 08/03/07 at 12:08pm BucsJags wrote:
Mr. Broadway told his coaches he better not EVER see them driving a dealership car. Wonder why he said that? |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 12:10pm chuck wrote:
I wasn't trying to start a campaign against auto dealers. I was just answering the poster's question about why Rush could be driving a shiny red Mercedes convertible on a head coach's salary. If a dealership wants to give him a car to drive, so what? It's pretty common way to advertise. It's especially common with radio personalities who advertise for a dealership. I'll be those vehicles are accruing some mileage though, with all of those trips to Pell City. ;D I have no problem with perks for a head coach. It comes with the territory and isn't exclusive to HHS. [/quote] Wasn't directed at you Chuck. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by ILuvHoova on 08/03/07 at 12:11pm chuck wrote:
I was standing in front of Hoover High School not too long ago when RP drove up in his black Dealer truck. I saw with my own eyes that he got out of it from the driver's side. I'd heard the rumors, too, but until I saw it, I couldn't be sure. Now I'm sure. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by DriveSouth on 08/03/07 at 12:11pm Hoover Forum Administrator wrote:
The Board would like to nominate this post for Post of the Day. Does the Board have a second?[/quote] Second! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 12:31pm ILuvHoova wrote:
I was standing in front of Hoover High School not too long ago when RP drove up in his black Dealer truck. I saw with my own eyes that he got out of it from the driver's side. I'd heard the rumors, too, but until I saw it, I couldn't be sure. Now I'm sure.[/quote] So what is the advertising slogan? We get our coach anywhere he needs to go. Family, lovers, games, we can do it all!! |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by croggen on 08/03/07 at 12:42pm I just want to know why it should not be made public, if he did this? I think it should be, because if it kept quiet another school will have the same problem if they hire him, and everything was kept quiet. I think anytime a person that has any influence over children or teenagers, and they are let go because of moral behavior it should be public so other places that are thinking of hiring that person know why he or she was let go. They should know what type person they are hiring. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by LawMom on 08/03/07 at 12:55pm billybob555 wrote:
I know several of the Applebee's managers very well and I can tell you RP does not expect to ever pay for his meal or those that are dinning with him.[/quote] I have been told a story about he and his wife not paying his bar tab at a restaurant in Patton Creek. (bartender) He seems to expect this preferential treatment. The bartender was appalled. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by hoover123 on 08/03/07 at 1:20pm Speaking of his WIFE....... Noone seems to say much about her and what she thinks about all these allegations..... There has to be someone out there that knows. I have read some posts that say they didn't even know he had a wife? How can he be the head coach at HHS and noone know anymore about him than that. He kids go to school there, so why would you not know if he has a wife or not. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 1:26pm ILuvHoova wrote:
Mr. Broadway told his coaches he better not EVER see them driving a dealership car. Wonder why he said that? [/quote] Because if Broadway couldnt have one, coach couldn't have one. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by whomeever424 on 08/03/07 at 1:43pm ILuvHoova wrote:
Mr. Broadway told his coaches he better not EVER see them driving a dealership car. Wonder why he said that?[/quote] Much as I dislike BB I have to give him respect him on that. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by whomeever424 on 08/03/07 at 1:47pm LawMom wrote:
I know several of the Applebee's managers very well and I can tell you RP does not expect to ever pay for his meal or those that are dinning with him.[/quote] I have been told a story about he and his wife not paying his bar tab at a restaurant in Patton Creek. (bartender) He seems to expect this preferential treatment. The bartender was appalled.[/quote] I too heard of issues like this from people who work at restaurants and bars around the city. He gets rather indignant when they don't know who he is. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by HooverHooch on 08/03/07 at 3:04pm LawMom wrote:
I know several of the Applebee's managers very well and I can tell you RP does not expect to ever pay for his meal or those that are dinning with him.[/quote] I have been told a story about he and his wife not paying his bar tab at a restaurant in Patton Creek. (bartender) He seems to expect this preferential treatment. The bartender was appalled.[/quote] With all due respect, if his wife goes out in public in Hoover, with what she has been and will continue to go through, she deserves a few drinks on the house. Although free liquor is probably what has kept herself from killing him. |
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Title: Re: And then it became national news... Post by billybob555 on 08/03/07 at 3:45pm Hey whomeever424, I have heard the same thing. He believes that he should be known everywhere, he is the rock star you know. |
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